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your most effective talking point are

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these magic words

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less than one percent of people get

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addicted to oxycontin that's not

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that's a clip from the hulu series

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dopesick a show about the whole

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oxycontin and opioid crisis which of

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course is so tragic so hard to hear but

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about the corruption of science and

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that's really a great tie-in to today's

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the very excellent ricky verandes

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creator and host of the ripple effect

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podcast where he has interviewed some of

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scientists i mean people who just have

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stellar academic and publishing

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credentials but are being

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banned of course and suppressed because

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they don't follow the plandemic dogma

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and you just can't get a better example

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i think hard example of the corruption

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of science than that so we do talk about

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that but if you've listened to skeptico

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you might anticipate that i pulled ricky

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in some other directions as well for

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something that we could identify as good

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so i do realize that this is a drama

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it always generates such an interesting

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because you don't want to go there ricky

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that's where i'm pushing you that's how

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i want to get skeptical it's not about

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it's not just about pleasant

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conversations it's not just about

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everyone has an opinion and i'm going to

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start a commune in puerto vallarta

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mexico oh even better i got my seed

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stacked up in the garage and you know i

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can last obviously none of that works

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because on the on some kind of grander

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who am i why am i here what am i

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supposed to do no absolutely it's evil

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and and i could go down the list you

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attempted to scare the out of the

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population for 18 months

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it worked on in many cases there's a lot

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of people out there who truly truly are

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using these people as pawns

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ricky is really doing some great work

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having them on and having this kind of

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to replace an echo chamber with another

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we just want to get to the truth and

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here's my interview with ricky verandas

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if you like it share it around

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welcome to skeptica where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex scarce

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ricky verandas to skeptico

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ricky is the creator and host of the

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very popular and very excellent

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great great interview-based show

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the ripple effect

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and the co-creator of

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the podcast that probably has the best

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uncomfortable and ricky was right there

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ricky welcome to skeptico thank you so

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much for joining me

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thanks for having me alex i really

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well like i said i think we're gonna

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man you have your guitars in the

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the union i've wanted and ricky ranson

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rock fan so tell us how this all got

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to rockville are you ever gonna

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union with you last night you were so

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putting that together and doing that and

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that's what you're doing too you're just

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trying to figure out you know what makes

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partners and both of them didn't work

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you think you know somebody once money

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nice but you're right yeah you could

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just seeing the whole capitalistic kind

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of uh a world that you know i think

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something you talk about now i'm getting

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i'm losing my train i thought a little

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got into all this stuff and and what you

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perspective that you bring whether it's

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a different perspective it's a

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perspective kind of guy and

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family my brother and i decided to help

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so we would handle anything that he he

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couldn't do in regards to reading

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writing emails and as time went by

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we started in o4 so it was right after

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high school well i graduated o3 and we

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started o4

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and at that time really i mean you could

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kind of get away with a handshake and

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and there was there wasn't nearly as

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much paperwork as there is now now it's

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like i spend so much of my time

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in the office just catching up with

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paperwork and certified payrolls and all

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this you know uh submittals and all

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these requirements uh working for the

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state and that's a whole other

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conversation i mean working in

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massachusetts it's such a headache i

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mean just so much paperwork so and and

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this really

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kind of highlights some of the issues

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that a lot of like libertarians talk

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about how

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governments and

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a lot of

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in the way you know and you can kind of

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see that and it really benefits the

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bigger companies because smaller

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companies like us we have to do all the

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same amount of paperwork and

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deal with all the same certificates and

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requirements

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but

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we have a small office it's me

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you know so it's like i don't have a lot

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of help and you know this is all stuff

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that doesn't really

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it you don't you don't make any money

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doing it it's just stuff that you have

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to do to eventually do the work to make

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you money but anyway so to make a long

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story short that's kind of the world

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that i got caught up into i was a

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musician initially and then as you get

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older and things like work and all these

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other things get in the way

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the band just became impossible to keep

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together it was just

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impossible and it was i'm one of those

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people that i'm kind of ocd and when i

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start a project i i i don't like all i

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do is think about it and and think about

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how to expand it and how to make it the

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best thing ever

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and when people aren't investing the

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same amount of mental energy and effort

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you kind of get discouraged so i started

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doing music on my own and this was uh

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right you know i started doing it

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basically sometime after high school

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when the band broke up

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but that got really hard too to kind of

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find time to do all that produce a whole

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song on your own all the music you hear

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on the ripple effect podcast is all my

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original music but it takes forever to

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do that it's time i mean it's super

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rewarding because as you know anything

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that the more work it takes to

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accomplish something the more rewarding

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it is after it's done

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but

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you know i i just it it really did get

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difficult to put out

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music

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at a rate that i that was satisfying

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and podcasting was just one of those

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things that that i i really

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got attracted to because i was doing a

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lot of commuting for work and i'm like

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oh my god i love documentaries i love

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reading and i love learning i can do

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basically or learn the same type of

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things i was learning from documentaries

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and books but in the car i can listen to

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a conversation listen to really

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thought-provoking conversations that

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were

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organic and to me that was like the

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really important part that i think

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people really liked was how organic

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podcasts were you know you turn on the

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tv there's agendas you tur you read a

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newspaper there's you know narratives

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that they're pushing on you so you i i

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always felt like okay the whole world is

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trying to sell you something and they

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have a narrative that they're pushing on

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you and podcasts

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were at least the ones that i was

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listening to and i know there's now like

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corporate podcasts or whatnot but the

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ones i i was listening to seemed like a

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a organic conversation the type of

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conversation that you and i would have

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if we're at a bar and we're just

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bullshitting and talking and and you

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know it leads here and then it goes

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there and all these things so it makes

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it

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to me that that that was the appeal to

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it was listening to

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to to real people just share ideas

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challenge ideas that's why you know i

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always said i enjoy what you do in

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regards to your your willingness to to

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kind of push back a little bit because i

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think that is when you learn and you

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don't want to be in an echo chamber i

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i also think that's why the union

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unwanted is such a pop popular and

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unique show because we we do

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a little bit of everything we bring

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people from all different backgrounds

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and researchers and different thinkers

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and we don't always agree

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but it's nice to to

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bring those

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ideas together and then see them

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challenge in real time and see people

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discuss them and agree and disagree

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because that's where you grow and that's

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where you learn so

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i eventually

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got in a podcast like like i said and

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after a while

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i uh i'm like you know what i have this

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recording studio i have this uh

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equipment i know how to record vocals i

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know how to use pro tools it's a

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software i use for my music

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and i'm like why not start a podcast and

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i had a co-host that i had to talk him

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into it he's a little older than i am

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and he's like what the the

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podcast and why would anybody want to

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just hear us talk

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and

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i would tell them like listen when we go

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out and we have these

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thought-provoking conversations where we

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would either

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share some personal stories or

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share some some really deep philosophy

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or something interesting that's going on

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in our lives or something interesting

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that we've read or watched

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we enjoy those conversations that's why

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we say time flies right you're you're

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talking you're at a bar you're at the

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gym you're at the grocery grocery store

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wherever you are if you have those type

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of deep conversations the time just

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flies and you and it's really enjoyable

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and i'm like all we're doing is

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recording those conversations sharing

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them with the world and hoping people

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enjoy them as much as enjoy listen to

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them as much as we enjoy having them and

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the concept

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to him initially seemed so

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because i guess on the surface level the

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idea of just recording two people

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talking and putting it out there seems

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ridiculous but when you really put in

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perspective and you're like okay well do

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i enjoy having these conversations do i

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enjoy conversation do i learn from

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conversation um do i enjoy meeting

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somebody who has a really interesting

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thought-provoking perspective

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and and talking to them and kind of

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dissecting the way they think and and

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some of their life experiences well i do

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then why wouldn't other people enjoy

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that and so it's really cool to archive

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those conversations and and and share

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them with the world and as the ripple

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effect podcast grew it one it became a

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example of the ripple effect because the

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whole idea was or at least the influence

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wha or the

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initial uh thought was

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to to start a ripple regardless how

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little or how large it might become

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do something because i was kind of doing

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a un and still kind of i am doing an

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unfulfilling job

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that really doesn't give me a purpose

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and i felt like something was missing

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and i've always been very artistic so it

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also help helps with kind of flexing

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that muscle and exercising that muscle

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of doing something creative

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so it will because again

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i think when you get older you kind of

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get in a routine you do a job and it

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becomes very repetitive and your

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thinking becomes repetitive which i

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think can be a huge issue too which is

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why i think traveling or doing

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psychedelics or anything that gets you

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out of the same pattern of thinking is

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beneficial like just get yourself out of

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routine from time to time do something

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that's difficult do something that's

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different do something that will just

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make you look at things maybe from a

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different perspective uh but it gave me

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a sense of purpose and i'm like you know

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what regardless if one person listens or

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a million people listen um at least i'm

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gonna feel

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like i'm doing something and then as i

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became a parent it you know we talked

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about this when you're on my show it was

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really interesting for me to think about

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my kids being able to

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listen to their father

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before becoming a father and and through

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the whole experience and listening i

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mean it's interesting for me to listen

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to myself

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years ago and just see where my ideas

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were and my thinking was and then see it

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progress i think it'll even even be more

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interesting for my children which

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you know they'll go back and be like

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okay what was my dad like when he first

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became a father what was my dad like

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when i was six when i was seven when i

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you know or what just seeing who he was

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when he was really young and

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i i think that's that's all super

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interesting i think many of us

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deal with this issue of not having some

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sense of fulfillment or purpose and we

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are just stuck in the system and that's

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a whole other conversation that we could

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you know also get into i'm a big fan of

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dr christopher ryan i think we might

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have mentioned him maybe we mentioned

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him when you were on my show uh who

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wrote civilization he's been on my show

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uh some years ago

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and i i just love this idea of

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questioning like what the hell is

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progress and he he uh christopher ryan

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always says this he's like if the

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winners right if the game is

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financial and getting all these material

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things which is basically the the

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the goal of most people

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and it's a goal that's not really

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something that's internal that we've

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decided this is what we want i think

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it's a lot of it's

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society and marketing you know edward

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bernays and propaganda all these uh

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techniques of getting you to want things

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that you don't actually need

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i think it convinces us that like okay

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if i go down this road of getting all

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these things

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then that's what success is and that's

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also what leads to happiness and i think

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many of us go down that road and find

558
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,960
out like okay i'm not happy still what

559
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:48,400
the wrong and then you start

560
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,840
self-medicating or you end up um just

561
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,320
trying to to find purpose or

562
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,679
if you don't end up finding purpose you

563
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:57,120
want to depressed and

564
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,320
and full of anxiety and uh it leads to a

565
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,320
bunch of issues so i think it's really

566
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,240
important for people to find something

567
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:05,760
they love

568
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,200
pursue it even if it's not financially

569
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,280
a um

570
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,919
it's not a a good idea in regards to

571
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:15,200
finances

572
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,600
do what what you enjoy my parents are

573
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,720
old school

574
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,640
like foreigners who grew up on a farm

575
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:22,400
and and came to america to financially

576
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,600
get ahead

577
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,919
and i remember always arguing not

578
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,520
arguing but like butting hands with my

579
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,080
mother on anything i wanted to do that

580
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,679
didn't get me financially ahead it was

581
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:32,559
like well

582
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:33,679
you know what if you get hurt playing

583
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,720
basketball what do you get her playing

584
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,799
soccer what if you get like what are you

585
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,159
are you making any like the first

586
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,000
question anytime i do anything and i'm

587
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,640
i'm a little bit proud of like oh i i

588
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:44,240
released my first podcast you know the

589
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,600
first question out of my mother's mouth

590
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,440
is oh are you making any money doing it

591
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,159
you know oh i released uh uh some

592
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,559
music uh first solo music oh great but

593
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,760
are you making any money doing it you

594
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,679
know it's like all it's always like and

595
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,280
i think a lot of it's like the the

596
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:00,240
immigrant mentality of you come from a a

597
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,200
place where you're poor you had no

598
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,360
running water you came to america took

599
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,080
this giant risk to get ahead financially

600
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,760
and then there's maybe some of that

601
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:11,840
because my wife has a grandmother i

602
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,720
would talk to a lot about um

603
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,320
she grew up during the great depression

604
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,520
she passed away uh not too long ago but

605
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,679
i remember talking to her and it always

606
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,880
seemed like

607
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:25,360
because she went through such struggles

608
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,720
there's always she was almost

609
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,880
traumatized by those struggles and she

610
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,480
was always concerned about possibly

611
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,559
going back to that place so now she was

612
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,320
like even though you know she's a good

613
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:36,080
saver and she she worked her ass off her

614
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,360
whole life so money wasn't really an

615
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,600
issue she always you would never know it

616
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,120
because she was always acting like money

617
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,840
was the issue by you know trying to find

618
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,559
every place to save money or whatnot and

619
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:47,840
i almost think

620
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,400
the anxiety of of money growing up

621
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,240
because when i came to america and

622
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,360
believe me i

623
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,440
i wasn't poor to to

624
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,520
uh the extent that some people report

625
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,000
you know where you don't have

626
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:03,039
food and water or whatever um i mean i

627
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,400
had the necessities growing up but i

628
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,600
didn't have anything past the

629
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,120
necessities i didn't you know i had

630
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,440
handed me down clothes i had all so and

631
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:12,080
and money was always a topic that i

632
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,679
remember my parents just stressing about

633
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,960
like how do we cut corners here how do

634
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,240
we save money here don't spend money

635
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,320
there you know and i think it even

636
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:19,520
internally

637
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,200
subconsciously somewhere it caused a uh

638
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,280
a relation where like money

639
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,440
was i always had this relation of like

640
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,919
negative feelings it was like anxiety

641
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,799
uh

642
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,200
fights arguments um

643
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,360
it was so uh growing up like i almost

644
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,640
went in the other direction where i'm

645
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,720
like i wanna not think about money at

646
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,799
all i'm like that artist where i'm just

647
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,480
like i just want to do what i love and

648
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,720
just hope things fall into place and not

649
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,760
have money

650
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,440
be in the back of my head all the time

651
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:49,200
influencing every decision i make and

652
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,480
everything i do

653
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:52,159
and uh you know one thing i always tell

654
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:53,039
my friends

655
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,240
it's like you can make more money you

656
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,840
can't make more time you know time's the

657
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,080
most valuable thing and it's like if i'm

658
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,440
out you know on vacation with my kids or

659
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,520
you know out to you with my wife and

660
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,799
we're like we're gonna drink a

661
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,320
little too much and we're gonna get a

662
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,919
hotel you know this is before kids when

663
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:09,840
we could do spontaneous things like this

664
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,720
and get a hotel and and maybe overpay

665
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:14,159
for the hotel because we want to have a

666
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,600
good time tonight and we want to be

667
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,159
responsible and and stay locally and not

668
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,159
drive home it let's just have a

669
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,760
good time you know and that was always

670
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,840
like i'm like i can always make more

671
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,679
money later you know and so all these

672
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,440
things kind of factored into my thinking

673
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,919
and you know now i'm going into a bunch

674
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,360
of just

675
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,440
childhood stuff that i think you know

676
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,360
just influences who you become and who

677
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,280
you are which is uh is always

678
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,960
interesting you know just like going

679
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,720
back and reflecting

680
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,240
on your childhood

681
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,640
and then trying to figure out okay

682
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,640
what had a negative or positive effect

683
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,960
on me or what influenced me that that

684
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,120
molded my my way of thinking and my

685
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,279
thought process now and i think we all

686
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,279
we all have that right we all have

687
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,880
things that we can look back at and be

688
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,400
like okay i think that a bit bigger

689
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,360
impact on me than maybe you know anybody

690
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,159
thought would at the moment you know so

691
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,080
it's it's fascinating it's it's all you

692
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,559
know it's all part of kind of

693
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,080
you know putting those pieces together

694
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,000
and figuring out yourself and figuring

695
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,600
out the world around you which is i

696
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,760
guess the goal of my show and the goal

697
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,760
of all of it i i think it's similar to

698
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,520
your show one thing i love about your

699
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,120
your show is that

700
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,720
it's those big questions that you talk

701
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:24,159
about and i think those big questions

702
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,440
aren't asked

703
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,200
enough and

704
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,640
i think we're both very similar i've

705
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,480
heard you say this too

706
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,240
about how you're not a religious person

707
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,919
i'm not either

708
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,159
but i appreciate the fact that religious

709
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,559
people do ask those questions or people

710
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,880
who are in the philosophy ask those

711
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,279
questions and i think that there's a lot

712
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,600
of people who are just robots going on

713
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,279
with their day and never ask those

714
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,760
questions and

715
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,760
sometimes it's too late by the time you

716
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,600
realize like maybe i should be asking

717
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,440
those questions because i've been living

718
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,120
a life without purpose

719
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,120
or i've been unhappy and i've been

720
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,559
masking it with this or that and um so i

721
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,840
yeah i think podcasts are absolutely

722
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,279
important because if you don't have

723
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,760
religion if you don't have a church or

724
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,760
if you're not interested in philosophy

725
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,440
maybe you might listen to a podcast that

726
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,600
might help you

727
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,919
self-reflect a little bit and ask those

728
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,200
what i think are super important

729
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,039
questions

730
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,240
tell us about the union of the unwanted

731
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,000
and tell us in particular you know when

732
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,960
i talk to normies and i talk to a bunch

733
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,200
of normies

734
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,240
on my show too and i

735
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,080
i don't want to claim like you know

736
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,840
that's like a

737
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,320
complete goal of the thing but it just

738
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,200
turns out to be i mean i talked to who

739
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,880
i'm going to bring them up on the screen

740
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,720
i talked to scott shea what an

741
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:48,720
interesting conversation guys probably a

742
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,679
billionaire or close to it started a

743
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,520
huge bank in new york and just wrote a

744
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,440
book on

745
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,600
conspiracies

746
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,240
in academia but he's just focused on

747
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,240
conspiracies against uh

748
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,520
jews and anti-zionism and we zionism and

749
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,840
we had a really interesting quote he was

750
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,360
very good because i really challenged

751
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:11,279
him on that but he was really able to

752
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,559
kind of

753
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:13,679
be there

754
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,240
you know uh pam popper we both just

755
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,559
talked too recently and i think we could

756
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,880
talk about that in particular in

757
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,559
how it has to do with science but who

758
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,039
else oh these people you know sarah and

759
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,600
jack gorman denying the deniers these

760
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,240
are two people that have phds from

761
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:31,840
colombia

762
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:35,120
jack is still teaches at columbia and i

763
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,039
guess the reason i bring it up is

764
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,110
what what the union of the unwanted

765
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,840
does that like these normies that i'm

766
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,279
talking about those people that have

767
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,799
been on the show and i could go through

768
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,960
all the lists you know resverg i could

769
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:55,120
go through the last 10 people that i've

770
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,720
had on the show eight out of ten of them

771
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,600
would not understand the basic

772
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,159
purpose the need

773
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,200
for union of the unwanted the i they

774
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,279
don't really get and i guess i want to

775
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,960
kind of bring this up and and have you

776
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,480
talk about it because you have personal

777
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,640
experience with this

778
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,480
being banned

779
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,000
being bad for no reason you're

780
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:21,919
interviewing a top

781
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,520
virologist recognized you know

782
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,840
in medical journals and you're being

783
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,480
banned because you're interviewing that

784
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,360
guy

785
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,640
this is

786
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,720
to to like you and i

787
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,799
and the people you have on the union of

788
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,480
the unwanted

789
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,039
it almost just kind of

790
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,960
rolls off your back without even

791
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,200
thinking of it but i want you to speak

792
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:47,679
for a minute at that kind of

793
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,120
basic level so people get a sense for

794
00:27:56,590 --> 00:27:53,440
who are the kind of people that are

795
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,600
being snuffed out of the dialogue and

796
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,200
systematically just

797
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,480
removed from a scientific discussion

798
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,080
you get you get the whole thing what i'm

799
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,240
saying right

800
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:08,960
yeah well i i was recently been on

801
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,679
youtube the funny thing is i we use uh

802
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,320
youtube tv at home when they cancel my

803
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,480
youtube channel i couldn't i found out

804
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,720
because in the morning youtube tv wasn't

805
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,399
working and

806
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,159
i'm like what what's going on here you

807
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:24,159
know i went to go put on the tv and it

808
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,360
wasn't working and then i found out that

809
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,120
my channel was canceled

810
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,760
or deleted

811
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,760
uh and then they still charged me for

812
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,520
youtube tv and i had to like contact

813
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,919
them like listen you guys you don't

814
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,679
everything that was under that gmail

815
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,919
account i had no access to anything like

816
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:41,919
they just basically like no you don't

817
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,360
exist and um so we end up you know uh

818
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,520
obviously i had to create a new gmail

819
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,600
account for now i have a youtube channel

820
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,360
with clips or whatnot but the stuff that

821
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,000
i was getting flagged for was and

822
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,000
getting in trouble for word

823
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:59,200
stuff with doctors which is kind of

824
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,240
surprising because i'm like they're

825
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,240
going to get me for when i have maybe a

826
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,159
researcher who doesn't have a doc you

827
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,360
know doesn't have a phd somebody who who

828
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,279
doesn't practice medicine that would

829
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,679
make more sense you know but when you're

830
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,600
specifically going after

831
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,399
you know i think dr kerry maday was one

832
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,880
um dr robert malone

833
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,799
i mean all these doctors that had on and

834
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,640
their shows were being flagged

835
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,320
and actually the first show that got

836
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,880
flagged i believe was kevin sorbo

837
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,600
hercules which was hilarious because

838
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,440
i'm like okay well i didn't think he

839
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,679
said anything too controversial but um

840
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,600
but they're picking and choosing what

841
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:37,279
narrative you're going to be able to see

842
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,159
and

843
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,240
they're i mean it's so deep when you

844
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,320
think of the analytics the information

845
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,720
that they gather all the

846
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,799
great minds and software that that they

847
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,799
have they know exactly

848
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,919
what

849
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,360
they want you to see

850
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,840
how it affects who you are and what you

851
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:55,679
become and how you think

852
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,960
so it's it's scary you know it is scary

853
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,880
but the censorship issue this is why

854
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,039
when i went to rockfin

855
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,200
initially i was because i i truly

856
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,320
believe in the idea of of open source

857
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,880
right i'm a big fan of james corbett

858
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,640
when when uh way before i started my

859
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,480
podcast i was he was one of the first

860
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,640
guests on my show and i love this idea

861
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,159
of open source like i don't care if i

862
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,000
get the clicks i don't care if my

863
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,960
website gets clicks put put the

864
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,399
information anywhere you want upload or

865
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,600
whatever and i'm like i love that

866
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:28,159
because it it shows that he's about the

867
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,360
message he's about getting these

868
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,600
conversations out there he's not about

869
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,480
um you know making money and if he and

870
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,480
he takes donations obviously

871
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,840
if he can make money he can do it full

872
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,440
time which he ends up

873
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,200
doing and and that's one of the reasons

874
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,760
we get the product but he had faith in

875
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:46,159
the people that were getting value out

876
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,279
of his

877
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,000
product that they would contribute and

878
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,880
and that end up being the case but

879
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,120
you know so these alternative platforms

880
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,240
i you know i never monetized on youtube

881
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:59,679
because i was always concerned about

882
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,399
like

883
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,840
kind of you know for a lack of better

884
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,919
term being a business partner with with

885
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,760
youtube i'm like i never monetize i

886
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,360
always age restricted my stuff and i

887
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,039
think i went under the radar for a while

888
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,120
i remember when dr robert malone was on

889
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,600
my show he he contacted me like a day or

890
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,279
two later he's like how the hell is our

891
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,200
interview still on youtube i'm like i

892
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,799
don't know i'm like honestly i'm like i

893
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,720
feel like i'm going out under the radar

894
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,880
and it's okay and i don't know if the

895
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,039
algorithms were were confused too

896
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,480
because i would have somebody on like

897
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:28,880
professor richard wolf who's a you know

898
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,919
socialist and marxist scholar and and

899
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,080
you know uh goes on shows just to talk

900
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:35,760
about those topics and i would have a

901
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,720
league camp on who's uh you know a

902
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:40,960
left-leaning uh like progressive

903
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,279
comedian and then i would have somebody

904
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,440
on like roger stone or whatever so i

905
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,960
don't know if maybe they were because

906
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,880
you look at the q anon people or the

907
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,279
like the real hardcore trump people

908
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,960
they're the ones who were eliminated

909
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,600
first and i'm like so i kind of had a

910
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,200
little bit of hope that like maybe i'll

911
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,799
go under the radar not because i care

912
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,080
about youtube that's the other thing i

913
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,480
want to emphasize it's because shows

914
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,080
like yours and other shows that are

915
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,919
still on youtube that

916
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,080
go against the grain like it's they're

917
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,880
necessary because the people who are

918
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,039
going on rockfin or odyssey or bitchu

919
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,960
shooter rumble or any other websites you

920
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,399
can find the video version of my

921
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,840
episodes

922
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:20,240
there are people who most likely

923
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,440
already have similar views or at least

924
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,360
intrigued with those uh alternative

925
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,279
perspectives but there's a lot of

926
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,120
you know use your word normies it's it's

927
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,200
true there's a lot of people out there

928
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,039
fault it's not a fall of their own like

929
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,960
they might have never been exposed to

930
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,440
something that truly

931
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,240
shattered their their world view and if

932
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,799
i can reach a couple of them on youtube

933
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,960
because that's unfortunately the the

934
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:46,000
majority of people when they're

935
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,600
searching for information they're using

936
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,120
google one and they're using youtube

937
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,960
second it's the second biggest search

938
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,880
engine in the world so to be able to

939
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,640
reach some of them

940
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,399
would would be good i think it's a good

941
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,440
thing and and it's necessary so it's a

942
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,960
shame that they're

943
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,480
getting rid of everything i mean

944
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,880
obviously it's not about money it's not

945
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,240
because there's some big channels that

946
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,720
have been removed off youtube that i'm

947
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,360
sure make them some decent money i mean

948
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,640
you look at uh

949
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,559
what's his name um

950
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,000
uh the right-wing uh show uh

951
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,080
crowder he he was uh

952
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,679
you know another guy who's been getting

953
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,880
in trouble and fighting with youtube i

954
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,760
mean his show it's a huge show i'm sure

955
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,000
they make youtube a lot of money so it's

956
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,559
like it it's obvious it's not about the

957
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,320
money it's about the narrative it's

958
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,039
about a greater agenda and uh and the

959
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,720
unions don't want it came from that

960
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,640
because what happened was even though i

961
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,039
wasn't banned until recently i would get

962
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,720
warnings from time to time on my youtube

963
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,880
channel and a lot of other people that

964
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,880
were friends of ours especially during

965
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,720
2020 were getting

966
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,120
banned or censored or deleted off all

967
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,960
the major platforms

968
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,480
so

969
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,000
it was that it actually came from the

970
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,480
origin of the unit unwanted came from

971
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,399
like i always enjoyed doing swap cast if

972
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,600
you go back

973
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,440
you know in my archives you'll find a

974
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,919
lot of shows where i'll i'll combine a

975
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,159
couple guests and just because i think

976
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,599
we can all bounce things off each other

977
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,280
and it would it would lead to really

978
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,040
interesting conversations so i was

979
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,879
always a fan of those and then i ended

980
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:15,760
up

981
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,040
being on mike's obdm show

982
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,200
and charlie it's like hey you were just

983
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,040
on my favorite show and i'm like really

984
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,560
he's like yeah i love the obd i'm like

985
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,679
how about you

986
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,679
like you know i we all do a show

987
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,679
together we'll do a swap cast and he's

988
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,359
like oh that'd be awesome

989
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,200
and then we decided to do a swap cast

990
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,720
then i'm like hey let me email a couple

991
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,399
people and see if anybody else wants a

992
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:39,119
comment we'll do like a a hangout show

993
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,320
and uh

994
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,320
funny enough the only person who i

995
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,760
emailed out of like you know a handful

996
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,440
of people was sam sam was the only one

997
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,359
so it ended up being us four

998
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,119
and so it's funny how things work out

999
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,480
because it's like if this little thing

1000
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,639
turned out slightly different would

1001
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,240
would i be here right now or would this

1002
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,480
show even have been created so sam

1003
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,880
because maybe if it was a big turnout

1004
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,320
you know if everybody i emailed showed

1005
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,160
up maybe you know it wouldn't we

1006
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,599
wouldn't have had the chemistry and

1007
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,160
decided as a group to to continue this

1008
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,560
thing but sam was on the show and the

1009
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,720
same triple a just so people believe

1010
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,480
from the tinfoil hat podcast and eight

1011
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,599
million other shows he does but he uh he

1012
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:17,839
also has zero a spiritual podcast and a

1013
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,560
bunch of uh other shows but

1014
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,160
we're all talking and we're talking

1015
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,960
about the censorship issue and and mike

1016
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,480
says yeah we're kind of like the union

1017
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,560
of the unwanted you know and that's what

1018
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,480
where it came from it was like we felt

1019
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,200
unwanted from the major platforms and

1020
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,720
immediately we're like

1021
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
i don't know what we're going to do with

1022
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,760
that name but mike hold on to that name

1023
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,839
because that's a great that's just a has

1024
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,440
it has a great ring to it you know it

1025
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,599
could be a name of an album or a band or

1026
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,480
something

1027
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,599
and

1028
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,240
i think he bought the url while we're on

1029
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,920
uh while we were recording which was

1030
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,079
pretty funny and so he ended up buying

1031
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,160
the url and then and then we were we're

1032
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,320
in a group uh text message talking to

1033
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,720
four of us and i was like hey we should

1034
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,079
get

1035
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,680
do a show called the union done wanted

1036
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,359
it was gonna be like a episode that was

1037
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,119
gonna be open source this goes back to

1038
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:07,040
like what i mentioned about my love for

1039
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,640
open source i was telling the guys i'm

1040
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:10,560
like let's make it open source let's get

1041
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,920
all these people together in alternative

1042
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,200
media world

1043
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,640
let's get them all together on like a

1044
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,040
zoom conference call and we'll make it

1045
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,200
open source so everybody can share the

1046
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,280
episode on their platforms call it the

1047
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,760
union done wanted and

1048
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,440
it would be a specific episode and then

1049
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,400
we did our

1050
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,040
our first like official union unwanted

1051
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,440
show with the which ben swann was on

1052
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,200
there i mean so many uh james corbett

1053
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,000
was on there uh so many great uh people

1054
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,760
from the alternative media community we

1055
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,839
got them all together

1056
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,520
we talked about solutions and what we're

1057
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,680
dealing with and uh and it was awesome

1058
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,240
and we i loved it and i've i've always

1059
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,920
been a people's person like i love

1060
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,079
meeting people i feel like everybody has

1061
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,880
a interesting story or interesting well

1062
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,160
i shouldn't say everybody there's some

1063
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,000
dumb people out there that are too

1064
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,920
fascinating but there's

1065
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,560
the majority of the time um i'm

1066
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,160
pleasantly surprised that people are

1067
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,920
much more interesting and fascinating

1068
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,560
than initially think in many cases and

1069
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,000
so i've always loved meeting people and

1070
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:09,760
talking to them and i remember even when

1071
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,040
i was single like going out um

1072
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,640
my friends would think i was kidding but

1073
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,760
like

1074
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,280
much of the fun of being single and

1075
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,800
meeting girls was like hearing their

1076
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,560
story and and they would always like

1077
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,240
think i'm i'm like just busting their

1078
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,839
balls like i was making a joke no no i

1079
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,880
actually

1080
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,800
care about like where they're from or

1081
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:28,720
you know how they were brought up and

1082
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,520
all that stuff so um so it was a perfect

1083
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,960
fit for me because i'm like i love the

1084
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,960
uni unwanted i get to have a bunch of

1085
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:36,640
people together talk to them meet some

1086
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,079
new people uh have on old friends and

1087
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:41,920
have them you know meet other friends

1088
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,560
and it became like a community and

1089
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:46,079
what i was seeing a lot when we would

1090
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,359
bring people together and the cool thing

1091
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,480
is like

1092
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,560
mike's been doing podcasting for a long

1093
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:53,599
time i've been doing uh podcasting for a

1094
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,720
long time and charlie's he had a book dr

1095
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,119
what's global control which um got he

1096
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:01,440
got to know a lot of podcasters and

1097
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,720
people in the community sam's been

1098
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,720
around for a while too

1099
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,119
so we all kind of

1100
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,880
we're all similar in regard it's funny

1101
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,720
how different we are but one thing that

1102
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,000
i've told the guys is i'm like the one

1103
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,920
thing that makes us all very similar and

1104
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,160
i think one of the reasons why it works

1105
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,640
is that none of us have labels like

1106
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:20,480
we're not like a conservative guy or a

1107
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,839
liberal guy or a whatever like

1108
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,000
we just like meeting people and

1109
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,560
exploring ideas and because of that i

1110
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,440
think you look at our track history

1111
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,520
people like us and people were willing

1112
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,760
to come on the show because they didn't

1113
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,119
feel like they're going to get attacked

1114
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,200
they didn't feel like we had a agenda

1115
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,440
because they knew us as as people didn't

1116
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,520
have agendas or

1117
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,119
we weren't trying to spark debates for

1118
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,640
the sake of debating or making somebody

1119
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,680
look bad

1120
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:48,560
so

1121
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,440
having that that uh great relationship

1122
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,880
with people with all the guests have

1123
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,040
been on my show throughout the years i i

1124
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,640
you know i just started booking people

1125
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,160
and i started bringing like just

1126
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,400
interesting people in and it just kept

1127
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,720
growing and it was cool because it

1128
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,200
almost like self marketed itself because

1129
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,920
the whole open source thing initially

1130
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,320
i i pushed this on the guys because one

1131
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,680
that's what i do with my show i tell

1132
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,079
people like post it anywhere you want

1133
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,800
i'm on a lot of alternative platforms

1134
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,320
and sometimes

1135
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,720
other people with my shows

1136
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,440
on their channel have more subscribers

1137
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,200
and more views in my show but i don't

1138
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,400
care because at least they're getting

1139
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,680
getting exposed to the the conversation

1140
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,079
which is the most important thing so but

1141
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,400
it started self marketing because what

1142
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,240
would happen is that

1143
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,960
you know monica perez or the truth zilla

1144
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,200
crew or whoever it might be when they're

1145
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,200
on we send them the links and we're like

1146
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,079
you can share it on your platform and so

1147
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,760
people who might not know what the union

1148
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,160
don't want it is they end up hearing it

1149
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,400
on some other platform and people would

1150
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,400
talk about it and and whatever so it

1151
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,160
just kept growing and then you'd see a

1152
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,560
lot of people connect after after the

1153
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,240
show that was one thing i really liked

1154
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,880
was that after the show you would see

1155
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,280
two people that were on the show

1156
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,800
interview each other and i'm like oh

1157
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,200
this is really creating a community so

1158
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,079
it was which is why i've pushed back a

1159
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,760
little bit like there's been a little

1160
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,440
bit of a internal conversation about

1161
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,920
like hey you know um should we do ads

1162
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,520
should we do you know and it's kind of

1163
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,200
just been thrown out there i'm like

1164
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,040
i've always i always feel like i'm the

1165
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,800
jerk who kind of pushes back against it

1166
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,760
a little bit just because i i love

1167
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,240
the idea so much and what it's become

1168
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:32,079
and how it's helped other podcasters

1169
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,520
that's like another thing is like if you

1170
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:36,240
go back in our archives one thing i we

1171
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,160
consciously do is that we'll look for a

1172
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,720
up-and-coming show and we'll we'll give

1173
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,960
them an opportunity to get a platform i

1174
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,880
mean at one time truthzilla was that i

1175
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:47,839
remember

1176
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,920
me wherever they wrote me uh about

1177
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,200
starting a show i'm like yeah yeah if

1178
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:56,000
you need any advice i'll help you and i

1179
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,280
mean there's plenty of podcasts out

1180
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,520
there i mean many many podcasts that

1181
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,160
i've uh i've told them the same and and

1182
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,920
you know i'll tell them like this is how

1183
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,160
i record and this is how i post and i

1184
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,880
use automatic uh to post my shows and

1185
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,119
and all this other stuff and uh so i

1186
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,760
help out any way i can and then to have

1187
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,359
them come on you don't want and give

1188
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,880
them that little bit of a bump i mean

1189
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,760
it's not that the show's huge but it's

1190
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,040
big enough where it does help these

1191
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,319
smaller shows

1192
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,560
and um it makes me feel good like you

1193
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,640
know i've had people say that we're you

1194
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,560
know i'm kind of like the joe rogan of

1195
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,200
podcasts or the alternative uh community

1196
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:32,400
because joe rogan's always telling

1197
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:34,079
people start a podcast start a podcast

1198
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,359
and on my show i'm always like start a

1199
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,359
podcast start a podcast i'll help you

1200
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:40,960
and uh so it really it's become

1201
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,599
something bigger than any of the hosts

1202
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,599
or even any the participants it's like

1203
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,800
it's a community and people people love

1204
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,400
tuning in and seeing who's going to be

1205
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,160
on there next and it's funny because

1206
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,440
people will always ask like who's going

1207
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,880
to be on the show like even participants

1208
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,880
will be and i'm like honestly i can tell

1209
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,040
you who i asked to come on the show but

1210
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,720
it's so random and it i i actually love

1211
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,480
that aspect of it because

1212
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,079
i don't know if you've had you know how

1213
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,839
your group of friends are alex but when

1214
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,280
i go out with my friends we would always

1215
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,040
have this issue where it's like it's not

1216
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,640
an issue but we'd always kind of joke

1217
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,000
about how

1218
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,000
you have the friends to get there early

1219
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,000
you have the friends that uh get there

1220
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,680
late you have the friends that said

1221
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:21,200
they're gonna come that don't come you

1222
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,319
have the friends that didn't sound like

1223
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,599
they were gonna come that end up showing

1224
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,760
up and it's fun you go out you have a

1225
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,960
couple drinks like hey we're meeting at

1226
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,720
this bar come or we're meeting for

1227
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,079
dinner or whatever if you want to join

1228
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,680
us and it's so it's always random you

1229
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,720
don't know who's going to walk in the

1230
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,160
door like oh i haven't seen this guy for

1231
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,359
a while like how you been i didn't know

1232
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:36,960
you're going to show up like that's kind

1233
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,599
of how the union unwanted is and

1234
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,200
it's like purposely that way you know

1235
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,280
sometimes i'll just throw out a you know

1236
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,720
but back in the day i just throw out

1237
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,480
tons of emails i'm like listen like if

1238
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,480
you want to show up i'll let me know and

1239
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,720
i'll send you the zoom link or sometimes

1240
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,280
i would just send the zoom link even if

1241
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,520
i'm like here's a zoom link even if you

1242
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,800
said you can't make it if you want to

1243
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,800
drop in for a little bit drop in you

1244
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,920
know you

1245
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:01,119
even if you're late or whatever don't

1246
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,319
worry and some of those people who said

1247
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,839
they couldn't make it eventually drop

1248
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,119
drop in because they don't feel any

1249
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,640
pressure to have to be there from

1250
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,359
beginning to end and um so it just i

1251
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,119
don't know i just it really is a blast

1252
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,359
it's one of my favorite shows to do

1253
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,640
it's it's

1254
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,920
fascinating

1255
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,040
it's

1256
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,800
personally you know and i don't speak

1257
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,400
for the other guys personally i really

1258
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,079
enjoyed the conversations like last

1259
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,560
night and like many of the uh other

1260
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:26,880
shows we've done where it's on a little

1261
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,640
bit more serious topics and it's

1262
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:32,400
we get to kind of just get a lot of

1263
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,280
different people from different

1264
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,119
backgrounds and different researchers

1265
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,800
and bounce ideas off each other and you

1266
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,079
never know

1267
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,079
how one person can contribute or not

1268
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,000
contribute sometimes

1269
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,599
we'll be talking about something and you

1270
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,680
think a a participant would have nothing

1271
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,920
to include on that specific topic and

1272
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:49,200
they do have something to include

1273
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,160
because they've done a little bit of

1274
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,599
research that you weren't aware of or

1275
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,440
they read a book that you didn't know

1276
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,760
that they read that uh you know so they

1277
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,040
have a little bit of insight on that

1278
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,160
topic so i that whole just all the wild

1279
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,680
cards and all the

1280
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:03,200
you don't know what's gonna happen or

1281
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,480
what's gonna be brought up and who's

1282
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:05,920
gonna get along and who's not gonna get

1283
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,480
along all that is what makes it exciting

1284
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,599
and

1285
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,960
weirdly enough

1286
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,560
we've never had an issue really with

1287
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,319
like people talking too much and having

1288
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,240
like really like shut somebody up we've

1289
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,160
never had an issue with people being um

1290
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,480
disrespectful uh it is funny because

1291
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:21,839
i've been talking to charlie about it

1292
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,800
not too long ago about i i've had

1293
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,480
made some questionable decisions i

1294
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,400
remember right before election time when

1295
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,480
like people were really

1296
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,119
emotional and politically like worked up

1297
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,480
uh i had greg palace join us on a show

1298
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,400
um with some

1299
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:41,119
notable people that were like super mega

1300
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:42,000
and

1301
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,119
i'm like i should have known it was

1302
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,359
going to turn up probably not great but

1303
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,640
i'm like

1304
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,680
most people will be respectful and they

1305
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,280
were like they were but there was a

1306
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,760
little bit of butting of heads and

1307
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,079
i think some people who are kind of new

1308
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,240
to to the alternative media community

1309
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:59,520
they don't realize that like craig

1310
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,480
palace is really really a og in regards

1311
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,200
to um you know this world and even

1312
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:07,119
though i disagree with him on you know

1313
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,000
probably

1314
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,680
quite a few things

1315
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,200
you can't take away from some of the

1316
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,599
great work he's done his uh journalists

1317
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,400
work in regards to uh just everything

1318
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,440
from the oil spill to so many other uh

1319
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,079
corruption stories throughout the years

1320
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,000
and um so i think you know bringing

1321
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,240
anybody and same thing when i had roger

1322
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,440
stone on

1323
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,880
nobody knew roger stone was going to be

1324
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,920
on

1325
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:30,640
i

1326
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,000
he's on or they'll spread the word and

1327
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,440
then they'll share the link or whatever

1328
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,280
so that's why we also changed the link

1329
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:46,000
every episode you know i initially i

1330
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,599
think somebody proposed like oh are you

1331
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,200
guys gonna use the same mic i'm like

1332
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,400
hell no we're not gonna use the same

1333
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,920
like because in one episode we'll have

1334
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,720
like 400 people you know if people just

1335
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:57,599
jump on so the whole thing is is just

1336
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,640
fascinating and exciting and

1337
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,640
during 2020 i think the other thing that

1338
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,560
was super super important and we get a

1339
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,640
lot of positive feedback about

1340
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,560
is that a lot of people who felt like

1341
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,800
they're going crazy that like nobody in

1342
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,599
the world was seeing the facade and

1343
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,520
seeing the illusion they'll listen to

1344
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,119
the union of unwanted and there'd be

1345
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:19,040
people from the you know the uk you know

1346
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,240
just like last night people from all

1347
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,599
over the world

1348
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,599
different continents or wherever

1349
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,440
and you're like holy i'm not alone

1350
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,200
like there there's a huge group of

1351
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,599
people just podcasters and alternative

1352
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,720
media

1353
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,599
people and researchers that feel the way

1354
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,440
i'm feeling and seeing the things i'm

1355
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,440
saying and realizing it's not making

1356
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,480
sense and i think it gave them hope it

1357
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,640
gave them hope it gave them community

1358
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,200
and uh i think one thing you hear a lot

1359
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,640
and from podcast listeners is that some

1360
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,280
of them don't have the friends they can

1361
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,760
talk to about maybe the deep

1362
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,839
questions and and

1363
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:57,359
conversations you might have on your

1364
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:01,119
podcast so when they tune in to skeptico

1365
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:02,480
they feel like they're having those

1366
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,920
conversations they want to have they

1367
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,520
feel like they're they're a part of

1368
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,839
those conversations that they enjoy

1369
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,800
and it gives them it almost like

1370
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,200
it's almost weird because we do so much

1371
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,640
talking and we record so much of it that

1372
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,400
there's people who really know us really

1373
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,760
well there's i mean we all have

1374
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,680
listeners that are hardcore fans who

1375
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,599
listen to every episode and they

1376
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,040
probably know me better than i know

1377
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,040
myself because because there's probably

1378
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,559
things that i've said in the past that

1379
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,559
i've forgotten about or ideas that i've

1380
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,559
had um that have changed that i'm not

1381
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,400
aware of and

1382
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,559
you know you meet those people they know

1383
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:38,000
like they feel like they know you but

1384
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,520
you have no idea who they are so it's

1385
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,440
always like this weird relationship um

1386
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,720
sometimes i have people write me and i'm

1387
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,559
like this person really knows me

1388
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,520
this guy

1389
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,599
really listens to all you know all my

1390
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,359
shows and um

1391
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,119
and i have no idea who they are you know

1392
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,160
so but they listen to my show and they

1393
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,240
feel like we're friends and i like that

1394
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,680
i want to be their friend i wish i could

1395
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,520
be everybody's friend and

1396
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,520
and i'm glad that they feel like that

1397
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,680
and i think that's one of the powers

1398
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,480
of

1399
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,400
shows like yours and mine and all the

1400
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,559
shows that really embrace conversation

1401
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,760
because i think conversation is one of

1402
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:11,920
the most powerful things in the world i

1403
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:15,440
i think you know you can look at

1404
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:16,400
you know

1405
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,880
the founding fathers

1406
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,760
were debating things probably drunk and

1407
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,760
half in a bag

1408
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,440
at a bar uh

1409
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,240
at a pub having a drink and and and

1410
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,480
debating and conversating and

1411
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:36,000
challenging each other

1412
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,839
and um

1413
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,760
and and coming up with solutions and

1414
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,240
challenging those solutions and and and

1415
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,920
talking about issues and

1416
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,400
so so much comes out of it and i think

1417
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,839
verbalizing your ideas and verbalizing

1418
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,680
how you feel sometimes you also find

1419
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,760
flaws in them right like so

1420
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,880
when you're being interviewed i've i've

1421
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,839
seen it

1422
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,280
it's happened to me quite a few times

1423
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,880
where i'm being interviewed and i get

1424
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:03,040
asked a question and in the process of

1425
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,760
me

1426
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,599
answering the question i realized like

1427
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,839
i'm not really strong on this opinion

1428
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,240
and i'm changing it as i'm describing it

1429
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,920
or i just say sometimes i don't know and

1430
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,599
i'm not sure which i think is completely

1431
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,200
okay too and i don't think we do enough

1432
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,599
of because the ego gets in the way of

1433
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:20,160
that and i think sometimes the ego says

1434
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,520
oh it's a sign of weakness if you say

1435
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,559
you don't know

1436
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,160
it's a sign of weakness if you say

1437
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,960
you're not sure or to sign a weakness if

1438
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,480
you're not you don't have a strong

1439
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,839
belief on something and i don't

1440
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,559
to me anybody who's too sure of

1441
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,400
everything they say

1442
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,079
makes me nervous because i'm like you

1443
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,160
can't be sure about all that you know

1444
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,599
and it's like are you really do you have

1445
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,359
blinders on are you is there is there

1446
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,359
some flaws in your thinking

1447
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,119
so it's um

1448
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,760
i think as you get older you

1449
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:51,520
you're much more

1450
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,119
open to the idea of not knowing and

1451
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,520
you're much more open and you accept it

1452
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,760
and you embrace it and

1453
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,119
you know it's like that quote you know

1454
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,839
the more you know the

1455
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:05,040
the less you

1456
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,240
how does it go it's like the more you

1457
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:08,079
know the more you're the less no you

1458
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,200
don't know

1459
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,240
yes exactly exactly so yeah so and and i

1460
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,040
think that that happens i mean uh i i

1461
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,880
think i've i've talked about it with so

1462
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,040
many guests on my show how much i i love

1463
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,960
philosophy because

1464
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,200
it's asks those bigger questions that

1465
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,280
some people go to religion for but

1466
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,960
without the the religious part of it you

1467
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,119
know the organized religious issues it's

1468
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,119
just asking questions and a lot of these

1469
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,040
questions are never really answered i

1470
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,359
mean it's debated over i mean the same

1471
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,440
questions are debated over and over

1472
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:39,200
again and you know there's so many

1473
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,160
different philosophers who have

1474
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,240
different perspectives on on so many

1475
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,800
different things and and even to to the

1476
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,680
point where it's like well what's

1477
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,359
reality what's real what's truth you

1478
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:49,119
know all these things and they seem

1479
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,160
silly

1480
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,440
at first but when you really start

1481
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,800
dissecting it you're like you're right

1482
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,280
you can make that argument you can uh

1483
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,119
debate that you can't look at it from

1484
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,720
that perspective are you familiar with

1485
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,559
like thaddeus russell he's another guy

1486
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,079
who i find really fascinating i've had

1487
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,280
him on the show in the past and

1488
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,800
he wrote the renegade history united

1489
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,480
states he's he's another guy much like

1490
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,200
yourself that i've always enjoyed

1491
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,240
listening to because i know you

1492
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,720
there's always maybe maybe i'm

1493
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,079
i'm trying like how do i say this out

1494
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:19,760
sound like a

1495
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:23,200
like i'm i enjoy conflict but i it's not

1496
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,480
that i enjoy conflict but any time i

1497
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,319
listen to you or

1498
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,800
or like thaddeus russell or any of these

1499
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,480
people who aren't afraid of being like

1500
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,160
okay i disagree with this person but i'm

1501
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,839
not just gonna politely

1502
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,800
uh you know let them talk i'm gonna

1503
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,280
politely disagree with them and politely

1504
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:41,280
you know push back and and see where

1505
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,480
this conversation goes and i think

1506
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,720
that's that's so needed i think that is

1507
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,480
a problem with the union of unwanted at

1508
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,599
times is that everybody is too polite

1509
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:51,119
sometimes and if you disagree with

1510
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,000
somebody

1511
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,240
then sometimes you keep it to yourself

1512
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,559
but i want it to be a platform where

1513
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,839
eventually

1514
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,599
people realize like it's okay to

1515
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:01,280
disagree and nobody's gonna get mad at

1516
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,319
you and nobody's gonna hate you and

1517
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,640
nobody's gonna not invite you next time

1518
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,319
because of it

1519
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,880
we're here to share ideas and challenge

1520
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,079
ideas

1521
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,359
because i think it's really easy to

1522
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:16,240
point the finger and and and really you

1523
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,359
know

1524
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,960
question what other people believe but

1525
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,480
it's really hard to question what we

1526
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,160
believe and i've been talking for so

1527
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,800
damn long that um

1528
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,920
i should probably

1529
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,839
let you expand on some of this

1530
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,559
well yeah i might because

1531
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,640
i do think you know people need to tune

1532
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,280
in to the union of the unwanted

1533
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,839
and i pulled up on the screen for people

1534
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,119
who are watching it

1535
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,559
kind of what it looks like because it

1536
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,200
really shouldn't work as well as it does

1537
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,599
like you just said you shouldn't be able

1538
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:46,640
to have

1539
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:50,000
16 different podcasters that like to

1540
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,280
talk

1541
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,720
on a zoom call and have them do

1542
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,880
what you just described

1543
00:53:03,030 --> 00:52:57,760
your

1544
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:03,040
we'll give him credit and sam as well

1545
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,160
but

1546
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:06,240
the the the energy that you guys bring

1547
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,440
to this makes it work in a way that

1548
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,280
you wouldn't expect it to work and in

1549
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,000
particular that last point that you just

1550
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,319
made there ricky is i find to be very

1551
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,800
very true and that's that

1552
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,400
you do

1553
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,160
generate real

1554
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:23,920
thinking and

1555
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,520
counter points within a group without a

1556
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,160
lot of uh you know dissension or

1557
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,920
confrontation or uncomfortableness you

1558
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,920
know which i i know from my show people

1559
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,720
are uncomfortable with uncomfortableness

1560
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,119
there isn't a lot of that but it isn't

1561
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,200
like everybody just patting each other

1562
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,400
on the back either

1563
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,400
there's real discussion

1564
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,319
and uh real dialogue

1565
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:48,559
i think it's fantastic i mean i know i

1566
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,760
was kind of

1567
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,839
maybe stretching a little bit with the

1568
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,240
best hope for humanity but

1569
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,800
it has great potential and i can't help

1570
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,680
though

1571
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,520
to return to

1572
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,040
where this sits

1573
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,079
in our current situation you know what i

1574
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:06,079
mean because

1575
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,040
like

1576
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:09,359
you're you're given a really nice

1577
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,400
pitch

1578
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,040
but you're a guy who got

1579
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,200
sucked into like

1580
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,599
the whole covet thing on a very personal

1581
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,640
level with your family and with your

1582
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:22,640
kids and we talked about that on the

1583
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,319
last show but it it's easy to

1584
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,640
forget people who are directly

1585
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,160
confronting

1586
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:32,480
some of the change that's going on

1587
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,200
and uh i i think you should talk a

1588
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,280
little bit about that but i don't just

1589
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,920
you i don't want you to just talk about

1590
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,680
your story and where it's going and

1591
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:43,280
you've actually continued to follow it

1592
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,640
you've had like attorneys that have

1593
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,839
followed

1594
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:48,960
file suit in massachusetts to say you

1595
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,680
can't do that which is what you told the

1596
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,200
school board when you went there you

1597
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,280
said you can't do that they said yes we

1598
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:57,839
could do whatever the we want and

1599
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,040
then there's maybe a legal thing there

1600
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,960
but what's really kind of dark and

1601
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,720
you're kind of putting uh adding light

1602
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:06,000
to it but i want you to give this the

1603
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,920
whole spectrum here ricky is that

1604
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:11,440
when you see

1605
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,920
what is

1606
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,359
demonstrably happening

1607
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:17,760
people are getting banned for talking to

1608
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,319
the doctors people are getting banned

1609
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,920
for talking to

1610
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,280
an attorney

1611
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:25,440
who's filing a suit

1612
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,480
in the supreme court of massachusetts

1613
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,520
and the court is acknowledging his suit

1614
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:33,359
and saying we'll hear it

1615
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,720
and that's banned from the dialogue from

1616
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,799
the public discourse great state of

1617
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,359
massachusetts founding fathers

1618
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,040
we never

1619
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,599
i've been at this a while if you told

1620
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,680
somebody that 10 years ago they just

1621
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,599
would have laughed in your face and said

1622
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,920
there's no way we'll ever get to that

1623
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,960
point

1624
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,000
and yet

1625
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,559
we're at that point so

1626
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,359
maybe you can trace some of those steps

1627
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,359
into telling us about

1628
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,839
your story and in particular

1629
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,240
what it's led for you in terms of the

1630
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,520
ripple effect and the follow-on

1631
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,440
interviews done which are fantastic i

1632
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,280
love it it's like we're getting the

1633
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,119
inside you know

1634
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,119
look into your family and then how it's

1635
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,599
playing out

1636
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,839
yeah so so what you're referring to was

1637
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,680
and and this is something that i i would

1638
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,079
love to talk to you about because

1639
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,599
it

1640
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:27,280
got on my radar

1641
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,040
the issues locally much more after 2020

1642
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,839
because i i've said this before

1643
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,400
i've been so focused on international

1644
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,119
issues foreign policy geopolitics uh

1645
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:40,799
historical things

1646
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,839
that in my home state and and even more

1647
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,520
personally in my hometown

1648
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,280
there were things going on

1649
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,520
that i wouldn't be happy with and i

1650
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,599
probably should have been more hands-on

1651
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:53,520
and more aware of

1652
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,480
and

1653
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,160
so

1654
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,000
after i had it was actually i remember

1655
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,480
this like it was yesterday i i had uh dr

1656
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,839
peter mccullough on my show and then i

1657
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,680
get a text message from or a message

1658
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,079
from some somebody who uh is from this

1659
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,079
town from my town and they're like you

1660
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,599
know you should

1661
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,440
uh go to the school committee meeting

1662
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,520
and i'm like what what meeting they're

1663
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,440
like oh they're going to vote on mass

1664
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:17,599
and i'm like oh yeah i'm like i

1665
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,559
definitely i'm like when is it they're

1666
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,640
like tonight and so i am going to the

1667
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,160
meeting and

1668
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,880
uh end up uh you know i was nervous i

1669
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:25,920
know a lot of people think because

1670
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:28,160
you're you're constantly

1671
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,599
go ahead where you can say something no

1672
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,280
it's just to say ricky fill people in a

1673
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,040
little bit on what you learned in

1674
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,200
talking to dr mccullough that you're

1675
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,000
going to share with the school board

1676
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,160
yeah well a lot of things i mean

1677
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,640
obviously all the i mean but this is

1678
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,160
this goes into

1679
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:46,880
a another really important issue is

1680
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:50,319
we're almost at the point where

1681
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,680
the science and it's funny because

1682
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,839
justin mccarthy attorney justin mccarthy

1683
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,359
who was just recently on my show which

1684
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,680
uh you were referring to he says this

1685
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,760
and it's so true and i've had other

1686
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,280
guests that have said this like the

1687
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:03,680
science doesn't matter because and what

1688
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,720
i mean by that is that it doesn't matter

1689
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,480
to a lot of people who are brainwashed

1690
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,760
like you could give them all the

1691
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,200
information give them all the

1692
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,359
information that make that that would

1693
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:14,880
paint the picture that we've been lied

1694
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,799
to that there's been suppressed um

1695
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,880
treatments that

1696
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,559
you know all the things like the lab

1697
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,200
leak theory and gain of function uh

1698
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,119
funding like all this information was

1699
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,119
being suppressed all the doctors that

1700
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,040
had different perspectives were being

1701
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:33,839
censored and and in many cases they were

1702
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,440
being banned and deleted and and um

1703
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,720
they were trying to

1704
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:41,280
basically a character assassination

1705
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,160
and

1706
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:44,079
you could give them all this information

1707
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,680
and it's like okay any logical person

1708
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,240
would look at all this and be like okay

1709
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,599
there's something here like there's

1710
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,440
enough dots that it's really easy to

1711
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,599
connect them

1712
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:54,799
but

1713
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,760
now it's so obvious of all these things

1714
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,760
and all the truths are slowly seeking

1715
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,319
into the mainstream narrative where now

1716
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,760
people are openly discussing these

1717
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,520
things things that were so fringe i mean

1718
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:07,680
if you said that this was a

1719
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,960
bad flu in early 2020 people were losing

1720
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,480
their mind on social media if you would

1721
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,079
say that if you would compare it to the

1722
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:16,799
flu now it's like publicly accepted that

1723
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,400
99 people will will survive it and

1724
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,799
see but ricky hold up i gotta pull you

1725
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,240
back a little bit because i think you're

1726
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,000
getting too far ahead of the story in a

1727
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,240
way and like

1728
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,839
where i want to i want to retrace these

1729
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,920
steps because i encounter even in my own

1730
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,000
family you know people who are still

1731
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,799
walking that initial path so

1732
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:38,720
you get on an interview

1733
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,280
with mccullough right that's his name

1734
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:43,839
yep peter dr peter mccullough dr peter

1735
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,520
mccullough and you find you get woken up

1736
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,480
to the mask science thing and i got it

1737
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,280
from a different uh a different guy but

1738
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,520
came to the same conclusion they've

1739
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,599
tested these masks for a long time to

1740
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,200
see if they prevented the flu and they

1741
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,280
always came to the same conclusion well

1742
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:03,119
we don't exactly know why but no they

1743
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,640
don't seem to work as a public health

1744
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:05,760
policy

1745
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,559
don't worry about a mass kind of thing

1746
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,880
and then the next step is

1747
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:12,000
once you get past that are they

1748
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,839
potentially dangerous so we looked at

1749
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:16,079
you know whether the beneficial dangers

1750
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,760
but the part i don't want you to skip

1751
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,000
over because i just hammer on this and

1752
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,760
people

1753
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,760
the reason i hammer on it is because my

1754
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,599
show started with science my show

1755
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,000
started with as we talked about rupert

1756
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:30,640
sheldrick and richard wiseman and like

1757
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,760
hey science will will win the day you

1758
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,079
know good evidence will

1759
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:38,160
win out and you will replicate your

1760
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,680
study and you will get a peer review and

1761
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,599
that people will pay attention in

1762
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,079
science matters as our friend charlie

1763
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,160
robinson says it's not about science

1764
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,079
it's about compliance

1765
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:53,040
that is where we're at now it's not

1766
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:54,079
about

1767
01:01:03,109 --> 01:00:59,520
did a whole show on the stanford and

1768
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,119
yale mask study the the biggest science

1769
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,160
lie i've run across since sheldrick and

1770
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,640
wiseman it's a complete

1771
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,280
lie in it it's attempt to do that but

1772
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,040
the point i guess i want i want you to

1773
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,799
walk back

1774
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:17,359
to that point where you go you're just

1775
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,119
being a good citizen

1776
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:21,119
you're being a good dad

1777
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:23,839
and you're being like hey well i just

1778
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,720
found out some information of course the

1779
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,359
school board would want to hear it it's

1780
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,359
because it's not someone's opinion i

1781
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,680
found science if we all care about

1782
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,040
science we want to teach our kids

1783
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,440
science and science matters and i'll go

1784
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,079
to the school board there's a certain

1785
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:42,160
waking up process that i think you went

1786
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,520
through here that i

1787
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:44,880
you know what i mean i want you to share

1788
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:46,000
that because

1789
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:47,280
some people haven't gone through that

1790
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:48,240
yet

1791
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:49,839
well i think the

1792
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,520
the waking up part was the fact that

1793
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,000
there was no science i was going to give

1794
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,000
to school committee members and that was

1795
01:02:02,470 --> 01:01:59,760
that was kind of what i was getting into

1796
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,480
or without i probably made my response

1797
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:04,640
way too long and people i get just as

1798
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,319
lost as probably the listeners but my

1799
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,280
point was that

1800
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:10,960
all that science and all that

1801
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:13,280
information was never going to change

1802
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:14,319
their mind

1803
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,960
is they cherry pick the science or the

1804
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,880
information that helps defend their

1805
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,200
perspective so it didn't matter how well

1806
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,960
researched i was or how much information

1807
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:26,640
i was going to bring to them i mean i

1808
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:28,000
had a little bit of hope initially

1809
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:29,760
because i didn't know who they were

1810
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:31,039
and

1811
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,240
you know some people told me that they

1812
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,319
were closed minded but i i felt like hey

1813
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,119
if i come here with enough logical

1814
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,680
information on how

1815
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,760
masking healthy kids because they're

1816
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,440
literally emailing everybody all the

1817
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:45,119
time like if your kid has any symptom

1818
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,839
whatsoever leave them at home so you're

1819
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,440
basically the majority of kids who are

1820
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,200
in school and i say the majority because

1821
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:53,039
there might be some kids who who might

1822
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,640
not have symptoms but

1823
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,640
you know might have uh the virus in

1824
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,720
their system and and this is that

1825
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,240
they're you know what do they call

1826
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,720
pre-symptomatic so

1827
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,799
that that might be the case but i'm like

1828
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:06,240
so you're masking

1829
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:08,000
healthy kids for the majority of them

1830
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:09,680
you're also masking people that are the

1831
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,480
least threat of of being harmed by this

1832
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:15,440
virus uh you know and you just go

1833
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:16,799
through all the information i mean it

1834
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,640
says on the box the mask box that

1835
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:22,079
it doesn't stop the spread of a

1836
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:25,039
chronovirus there's no protocols right

1837
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,720
and this goes back to it's not about

1838
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,720
science it's about compliance like

1839
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,720
there's no protocols if my kid coughs in

1840
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:32,319
this mask there's no protocols of my

1841
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:35,200
kids at recess and drops his mask okay

1842
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,799
there's no protocols in regards so let's

1843
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:38,240
make let's keep

1844
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:41,680
a eye out on any kids who might uh you

1845
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,839
know get their mask dirty and put it on

1846
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:45,039
their face and the reason why that's so

1847
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,400
important is because the whole point of

1848
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,559
this thing is to

1849
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,480
keep them healthy and and it's about

1850
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:51,920
health and it's about protecting the

1851
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,880
kids so why wouldn't there be protocols

1852
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:57,520
you know something written out some some

1853
01:04:02,710 --> 01:03:59,839
steps that are taken to make sure every

1854
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:02,720
kid has a clean mask all the time the

1855
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:05,920
truth is it's not about any of that and

1856
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,799
everybody knows and that most kids will

1857
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,160
reuse their mask over and over again

1858
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:12,480
there's i mean i i i'm assuming there's

1859
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:15,280
probably kids if i ask my kid hey

1860
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:16,640
does you know is there kids in your

1861
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,079
class that wear the same mask every

1862
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,920
single day every week he'd probably say

1863
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,839
yes you know do you think that's being

1864
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,599
clean and washed every night really they

1865
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,520
are so what hap tell us the story what

1866
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,039
happens you go to the school board and

1867
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,680
and i gotta i gotta say you kind of made

1868
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,839
the point i mean you went there at least

1869
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:33,680
with some

1870
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,640
some sense that that this this makes

1871
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:38,400
sense you know i played it out to my

1872
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,799
wife i played it out to my you know

1873
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:42,799
sister-in-law whoever it is and they're

1874
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,280
like yeah gosh i didn't know that go

1875
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,960
ricky go tell the school board they're

1876
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,720
going to want to hear this they want to

1877
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:50,880
protect our kids

1878
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:54,160
well yeah and so i i did and and i i was

1879
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,520
pleasantly surprised that there was

1880
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,039
other people there who also were

1881
01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:59,359
outspoken and and upset about the whole

1882
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:02,000
situation we end up pushing they were

1883
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:03,760
supposed to vote that night

1884
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,559
uh

1885
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,799
eventually because of the pushback and

1886
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,480
and kind of our

1887
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:09,599
um

1888
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,400
i think

1889
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,400
our frustration and all this stuff they

1890
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,160
end up because somebody end up

1891
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,240
suggesting like how about we ask the

1892
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,799
parents like let's do a poll let's ask

1893
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:21,119
the parents what they want uh i wasn't

1894
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:22,720
too confident on the poll because i'm

1895
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,079
like well the majority of the parents

1896
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:26,799
probably watch uh mainstream media so

1897
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,440
according to the information they have

1898
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,839
the masking kids makes sense to them but

1899
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,760
i'm like you know what you know maybe a

1900
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,359
poll is better than because it didn't

1901
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,200
seem like we had the votes it seemed

1902
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:39,599
like we were going to lose anyways um

1903
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:41,119
you know there's only one person up

1904
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,319
there that seemed to be kind of

1905
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,720
open-minded to the idea uh the other

1906
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,319
issue i really had was the fact that

1907
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,480
they were they were saying

1908
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,400
we're oh let's just start the year you

1909
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:53,119
know with masks which eventually end up

1910
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:54,880
being what the survey question was that

1911
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,000
they sent out to all the parents they

1912
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,920
sent out the survey question for this

1913
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,799
poll

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01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,319
stating that

1915
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:01,920
are you okay with masking kids in the

1916
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,079
beginning of the school season and i was

1917
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,920
rip i mean i end up emailing all of

1918
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,359
them contacting i'm like this is not the

1919
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,400
survey we asked for um i wanted

1920
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,119
you what we wanted was

1921
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,960
parents to have the choice

1922
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,640
and if you want to great if you don't

1923
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,599
want to fine and

1924
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,599
the way they worded it and i i don't

1925
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,039
want to give them too much credit for

1926
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,839
understanding uh you know edward bernays

1927
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:27,839
and ways to kind of pull people in one

1928
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:29,839
direction or another but they obviously

1929
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,240
worded it in a way hoping that you know

1930
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:34,400
it seemed more innocent and it would be

1931
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,280
temporary and i'm which was bothersome

1932
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,039
because we asked them during the school

1933
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:41,680
committee meeting like hey okay if they

1934
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:44,000
do have masks for how long and they

1935
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,359
couldn't give us the answer and we're

1936
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,359
like okay what do you need to see like

1937
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:49,200
what's the criteria like do you need to

1938
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:49,920
see

1939
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:54,079
okay like what what are you looking for

1940
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,520
and they couldn't give you answers so it

1941
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:57,119
was obvious that

1942
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,799
once those masks went on they weren't

1943
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,400
gonna go away

1944
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,079
so but we did end up pushing for the

1945
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,480
poll and then the following week was

1946
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,240
going to be the next school committee

1947
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:08,880
meeting where they were going to

1948
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:11,839
share the poll results and also finally

1949
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:15,039
vote on the masks well

1950
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,240
this is

1951
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,319
it it's bothersome because i i really

1952
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,079
felt one i felt defeated because i ended

1953
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:21,839
up putting up my own poll i didn't like

1954
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,200
the way they questioned it so i had my

1955
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,200
own poll going around i created my own

1956
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,599
poll on change.org or whatever uh

1957
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:29,920
website i ended up using and i had i

1958
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,119
think just under 500 uh signatures some

1959
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:35,119
from some of the doctors and attorneys

1960
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:36,960
that you referred to that's been on the

1961
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,319
show and um many residents from from

1962
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:42,400
town it wasn't just people from all over

1963
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,960
the place but it was worded the way that

1964
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:46,559
it should have been worded about parents

1965
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:49,119
having the option and they should have

1966
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,240
con you know that that choice and um and

1967
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,240
so i wanted to i also send them the poll

1968
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,400
results i wanted to

1969
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,000
share my poll results at the school

1970
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,319
committee meeting and

1971
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:01,920
none of it mattered because the day it

1972
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:04,640
was either the day of or the day before

1973
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,520
massachusetts decided for every town and

1974
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,359
city and in

1975
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,400
in the state

1976
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,160
that they're gonna mask all kids even

1977
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,400
though there were some local towns and

1978
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,040
and many towns that decide not to and uh

1979
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,359
so what the people wanted didn't mean

1980
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,440
anything and it also took all the

1981
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,920
ability for us locally to make a

1982
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:26,000
difference and actually uh push for

1983
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,679
something and stand up for something and

1984
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,319
protect the kids and um

1985
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,199
yeah so it you know i as a parent i felt

1986
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:35,120
defeated i felt

1987
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:36,239
uh

1988
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,920
i felt like you know i put all this

1989
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,920
effort and time and

1990
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:41,759
you know got people signing the survey

1991
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:44,159
got people sharing the survey uh you

1992
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,239
know i had so many people contacting me

1993
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,640
about what was going on and thanking me

1994
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:50,560
for for being outspoken and all this

1995
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:53,359
stuff and then out of nowhere uh

1996
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,239
jeffrey reilly who is um

1997
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,600
you know the commissioner i will forget

1998
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,279
what his title is something about uh

1999
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,040
education one of the directors of

2000
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,040
education or something for massachusetts

2001
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,480
decided him and dictator baker to uh

2002
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,799
mask all the kids and we just got an

2003
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,719
email just a week ago

2004
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,000
um

2005
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,719
saying that the the massachusetts plans

2006
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,880
unmasking all the kids until like mid

2007
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:18,000
january

2008
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,960
and

2009
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:20,640
or

2010
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,359
80 vaccinated schools if we have 80

2011
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,799
vaccinated schools

2012
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,279
uh everybody in the school system 80

2013
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,279
vaccinated then they can remove the

2014
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,400
masks the really absurd thing is nowhere

2015
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,640
in the email do they say anything about

2016
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,120
no cases or lower numbers like the

2017
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:38,960
numbers it's just it's so obvious the

2018
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:41,759
agenda is just to vaccinate the out

2019
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,719
of everybody and it doesn't matter um

2020
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,560
what decay it never mattered and that's

2021
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,480
kind of the thing about the the science

2022
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:50,799
that like i spend so much time talking

2023
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:51,839
to people

2024
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,320
and and so many people on a personal

2025
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,840
level if i'm talking to them at the gym

2026
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,920
if i'm talking to them uh wherever you

2027
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:59,280
know if i'm at a basketball game or

2028
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,560
wherever and i'm talking to somebody at

2029
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,880
a little get-together

2030
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,960
and we have a disagreement

2031
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:06,320
most people i feel like because

2032
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:07,600
logically

2033
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,719
logic's on my side if i just put this

2034
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,320
information out there and i explain to

2035
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,719
them how i came to these conclusions

2036
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:17,360
and and how obvious it is or at least if

2037
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,640
i don't tell them it's obvious but if i

2038
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,000
give them all the information it'll

2039
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:21,679
become obvious

2040
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:24,560
then they'll at least meet me halfway

2041
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,760
and

2042
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,400
so i had hope that you know that that

2043
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,560
would happen everywhere and i always

2044
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:32,080
felt like i could kind of sway somebody

2045
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,440
and wonder and

2046
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:35,440
you know the school the school committee

2047
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,440
members uh continue to uh you know i um

2048
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,600
keep getting updates on on what's going

2049
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:44,400
on in town and after i i was outspoken

2050
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:45,280
and

2051
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,239
uh

2052
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:48,000
people were contacting me and talked to

2053
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,360
me about

2054
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,280
and you you as a parent i'm kind of

2055
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,800
curious on your perspective because this

2056
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,239
is kind of related to

2057
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,880
agenda 21 and agenda 2030 which we spoke

2058
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:59,520
about last night on union unwanted

2059
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:00,560
but

2060
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,280
they talked about all these like books

2061
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,920
with cartoon gay sex and all the stuff

2062
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,120
that's in the library in the middle

2063
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:09,840
school in in my town and how there's

2064
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:12,159
this group of parents who are trying to

2065
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,760
get these books out of our library and

2066
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,440
then i run into

2067
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:16,800
like all these other parents that are

2068
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,030
in their school systems with pushing

2069
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:26,000
critical race theory pushing um you know

2070
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,360
all these things

2071
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,280
that i'm just like

2072
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,199
i is are these things that should even

2073
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,440
be taught in school like what like i it

2074
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,920
doesn't matter if if it's books

2075
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,320
with straight

2076
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:40,080
cartoons have you know doing sexual

2077
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,840
things like i don't care what you know

2078
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:44,000
gender they are i don't care what sexual

2079
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:45,679
preference they have like my kids should

2080
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:46,800
not be exposed to this this is the

2081
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,800
conversation i have with them this is a

2082
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,120
conversation that uh you know that they

2083
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,840
don't learn by grabbing the wrong book

2084
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:56,560
at the middle school and

2085
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,760
so it just all these agendas end up

2086
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,360
becoming more and more obvious and

2087
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,960
you're starting to see

2088
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,960
how like these are all agendas that have

2089
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,520
been i think pushed and there was like

2090
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,840
little baby steps like this little move

2091
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,440
here that little move there to kind of

2092
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:13,920
all push to the same destination but now

2093
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:16,640
it's like they're all much more obvious

2094
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,520
and

2095
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:18,960
it's

2096
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,440
about like what world are my kids going

2097
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:26,000
to grow up in and i remember saying this

2098
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,440
before i was a parent i'm like what

2099
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,199
world if i had kids what would they grow

2100
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,760
up in but now it's like it's even

2101
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:33,679
scarier than what i predicted you know

2102
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,640
or at least when i was thinking of like

2103
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,480
the worst case scenario like what world

2104
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,800
would they uh grow up in worst case

2105
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,159
scenario and now it's like well now the

2106
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,920
worst case scenario is way worse than i

2107
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:45,679
even ever predicted or could ever

2108
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:46,719
imagine

2109
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,080
and it's just

2110
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:50,560
it's scary and i don't i think these are

2111
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:53,520
topics that are hard to discuss because

2112
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:54,560
not

2113
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:56,960
on a surface level the critical race

2114
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,239
theory or being open to

2115
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,840
you know people being gay lesbian

2116
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,840
transgender like

2117
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,159
that's all that's all fine and dandy and

2118
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:08,239
i'm open to have those discussions i'm

2119
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,719
not anti any of those things

2120
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:12,960
i'm anti pushing

2121
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:16,480
any ideology on my kids like a school is

2122
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:17,600
supposed to be a place where you teach

2123
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,000
kids how to yeah hold on hold on ricky

2124
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,320
before we go on that roll

2125
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,880
you know i think that kind of in a way

2126
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,600
it confuses the issue in that

2127
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,800
we've been talking about that

2128
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,400
forever right

2129
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,400
all my life you know that's been an

2130
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:34,239
issue and my kids are a little bit older

2131
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,280
than yours

2132
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:36,960
college kind of a little bit beyond

2133
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,199
college uh but that was an issue you

2134
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,920
know 10 15 years ago all that stuff

2135
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,760
what people want to know is is it

2136
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:46,000
different now and i think what they hear

2137
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,280
in your show

2138
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:50,480
is no it's it's

2139
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,000
it's demonstrably and significantly in

2140
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:56,000
an important way

2141
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,120
different

2142
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,360
and i think you've been hammering on

2143
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:00,719
that

2144
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,199
pretty hard with where this whole thing

2145
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,520
has taken you and

2146
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,679
it's really the the one part i guess

2147
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:10,080
that i do want you to address because

2148
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:11,360
you kind of mentioned it and then you

2149
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,800
kind of rolled right past it it's pretty

2150
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,920
dark

2151
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:18,719
right now and it's pretty scary because

2152
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,440
the natural through line of what you're

2153
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:23,120
painting

2154
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,360
only goes one way it goes in this way of

2155
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,159
a control uh

2156
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:32,159
thing matrix i was gonna say but then

2157
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:34,000
that just throws everybody it's it's

2158
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:35,040
just

2159
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:38,320
it's it's it's scary in a way that even

2160
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,920
people who've been part of the truth

2161
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:41,600
movement part of the whole thing for a

2162
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,719
long time

2163
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:44,880
haven't had to really confront

2164
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:47,120
what they're willing to kind of do right

2165
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:48,239
now with

2166
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:49,520
it's like somebody brought this up the

2167
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,040
other day maybe even on the show last

2168
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,120
night is like

2169
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:55,120
this step-by-step boiling frog thing

2170
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:56,480
that everyone's heard about you know

2171
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,440
it's like

2172
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,280
you know even if you just go back 18

2173
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,199
months remember when people said you're

2174
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,760
gonna have a vaccine passport you're

2175
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,920
gonna have vaccine mandates and i

2176
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,600
remember like again even in my family

2177
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,679
they're like that would never happen

2178
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:11,199
you're just being ridiculous because you

2179
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,480
don't want

2180
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:14,320
now that isn't even that isn't even

2181
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,840
that's like just the beginning of it so

2182
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:19,280
how bad is it

2183
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,159
i i try to be optimistic because i

2184
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,040
the more they push the more i think we

2185
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,800
push and

2186
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,719
i i think it was you who said it last

2187
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,320
night and i think it's so true like

2188
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,400
don't with moms and

2189
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:36,719
it's it's it's so true like throughout

2190
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:40,080
the years of you know so i to me none of

2191
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,679
this is is that eye-opening or new to me

2192
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,440
because i've i've always been really

2193
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:47,760
deep in in health and nutrition

2194
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,880
and i've always been really deep into

2195
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:52,880
just big pharma and all those issues

2196
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,360
that are related to it uh you know but

2197
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,280
early years of the ripple effect podcast

2198
01:16:03,030 --> 01:15:59,280
i had a lot of doctors on dr brzezinski

2199
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,040
dr gregory smith um so many uh great

2200
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,679
researchers that are really exposing

2201
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:08,080
how you know there's no money in us

2202
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,920
being healthy there's money and and

2203
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,080
symptom management and keeping us sick

2204
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:13,760
and

2205
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:20,080
to recover from things if you give it

2206
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,120
the fuel

2207
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,000
and sunlight and fresh air and all the

2208
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:27,040
things that it needs to to be healthy

2209
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:27,920
so

2210
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,920
a lot of these agendas we kind of knew

2211
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:30,800
about

2212
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:32,000
and

2213
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,440
now they they definitely seem

2214
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,440
fast-tracked

2215
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,840
but i i also think it's woken up a lot

2216
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:40,000
of people like years ago

2217
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,360
when i would have conversation with

2218
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,920
people about vaccines

2219
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,880
i mean

2220
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:46,320
they're people

2221
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:47,600
it was really hard to find other people

2222
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:49,440
who were skeptical about

2223
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,320
their safety or their just about

2224
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,000
vaccines at all

2225
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:56,000
and i know some of my listeners are sick

2226
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,360
of me saying this but i would always use

2227
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:59,520
the metaphor of like okay if i give

2228
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,719
every kid

2229
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,199
a peanut butter some kids are gonna die

2230
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:05,199
like so what makes you think vaccines

2231
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,280
are the one thing in the world

2232
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:09,280
that you can give everybody and nobody

2233
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,080
has a negative effect like it just it

2234
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:14,880
seems silly and i think a lot of people

2235
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:21,110
i guess uh medical freedom movement

2236
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,199
we've been

2237
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:24,960
misrepresented because a lot of times

2238
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:27,440
it's we're not saying that every person

2239
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,440
is going to be harmed from a vaccine

2240
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:31,520
we're just saying that there's a reward

2241
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,400
risk ratio and you've been misled about

2242
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,239
how much reward there is and how much

2243
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,080
risk there is and i think that's the

2244
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,719
wrong i think that's the wrong debate

2245
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,640
and i think it's debate it's a debate

2246
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,560
that they would love to have

2247
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,840
because

2248
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:47,920
as you kind of alluded to you can get

2249
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,560
mired in all sorts of

2250
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:53,120
on both sides which is valid

2251
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,560
you know you got to have science and all

2252
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,480
the rest of that the the question and

2253
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:59,120
this kind of came up in uh when i was on

2254
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,800
the ripple effect

2255
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:02,880
what no one wants to face is what we

2256
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:06,239
really want to know is is it evil

2257
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:09,440
are the people behind this evil in some

2258
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,640
way

2259
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,199
that we're uncomfortable talking about

2260
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,120
but we know what the we're talking

2261
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,199
about so when you know i was just

2262
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,880
watching the documentary one of the

2263
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,719
documentaries on the kind of purdue

2264
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:22,719
pharmaceutical thing and the whole

2265
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,520
oxycontin thing and the family you know

2266
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,000
that whole and what they did is they

2267
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:30,000
made uh i thought this was just i'll

2268
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,480
throw this in as just a little aside

2269
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,480
but they made pain

2270
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,000
a new sense

2271
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:38,640
like you know you have sight you have

2272
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:41,440
taste and now you have pain too and you

2273
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:43,280
have the little person in the you know

2274
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,120
the little you are the smiley face of

2275
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,440
the frowny flesh face which is all you

2276
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,080
know kind of really

2277
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:52,400
mundane and understandable and like

2278
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:53,840
you're talking about the evil of the

2279
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,679
middle it's like well of course there's

2280
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:58,080
some good and bad in there

2281
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,320
all that was done as a marketing effort

2282
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:02,800
to introduce oxycontin because they had

2283
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,800
this agenda and they sold billions and

2284
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,480
billions of dollars and they made all

2285
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,400
this money and they destroyed all these

2286
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:09,760
lives

2287
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:12,480
we do not want to get pulled into

2288
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:15,280
another one of those protracted

2289
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,320
uh medical discussions where

2290
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:20,560
there is always going to be that evil

2291
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:21,600
middle

2292
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:25,280
what we want to understand is

2293
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:28,800
is the is the driving force behind this

2294
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,560
something that we could identify as good

2295
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,280
old-fashioned evil if it's just people

2296
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,600
out there and i see it one way and you

2297
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:40,080
see it another way we can deal with that

2298
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,159
if it's just somebody out there honestly

2299
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:44,800
saying i think this is a better way to

2300
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,080
protect humanity and protect the herd

2301
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,360
and well i respectfully disagree we can

2302
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:54,239
handle that what we can't handle

2303
01:20:04,950 --> 01:19:54,960
is

2304
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,960
tracking in the truth movement for a

2305
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,239
long time

2306
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,320
those building seven

2307
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:11,199
wasn't hit by an airplane oh my god what

2308
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:14,159
even bring that up it's the same thing

2309
01:20:21,229 --> 01:20:18,239
climate change and those phony emails

2310
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:21,239
never really happened you live there in

2311
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:24,639
massachusetts the ocean isn't coming up

2312
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,360
the best scientists in the world

2313
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,040
you know

2314
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,600
who track the ocean level there's no

2315
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:34,000
change in the ocean level they continue

2316
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:37,120
to push that agenda so i i won't go on

2317
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,560
too long of a rant there but the

2318
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:40,960
question is

2319
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,679
is it evil is there evil behind this

2320
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,600
because you don't want to go there ricky

2321
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,120
that's where i'm pushing you that's how

2322
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:51,120
i want to get skeptical it's not about

2323
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:52,639
it's not just about pleasant

2324
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,679
conversations it's not just about

2325
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:57,760
everyone has an opinion and i'm going to

2326
01:21:02,709 --> 01:20:59,920
start a commune in puerto vallarta

2327
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:02,719
mexico oh even better i got my seed

2328
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:05,360
stacked up in the garage and you know i

2329
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,760
can last you know and

2330
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,040
what kind of guns do you have because

2331
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,400
they are going to come to your door oh

2332
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,719
yeah i got this gun and that gun

2333
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,880
that obviously none of that

2334
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:16,719
works because on the on some kind of

2335
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:19,679
grander spiritual level

2336
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,320
that stuff just kind of looks as

2337
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:24,960
ridiculous as as everything else looks

2338
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:27,679
unless we're really willing to go

2339
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,159
you called it philosophical i'd call it

2340
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,239
spiritual and really

2341
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:35,120
tackle those issues head on who am i why

2342
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:38,400
am i here what am i supposed to do

2343
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,400
no absolutely it's evil and i think that

2344
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:44,719
a lot of the people who are

2345
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:47,600
the most outspoken the mo people that

2346
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,560
i've

2347
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:51,120
taught dr peter mccullough dr carrie

2348
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,120
maday dell big tree

2349
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,760
mickey willis all these people

2350
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,480
are spiritual or religious and they're

2351
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:00,480
the ones who seem

2352
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,560
and and i could go down the list i mean

2353
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,400
uh ryan from last american vagabond i

2354
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:06,320
mean all these

2355
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,040
researchers doctors thinkers filmmakers

2356
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:11,679
people who are really

2357
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:14,400
scared and panicking and feel like this

2358
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:16,560
is really bad they're people who believe

2359
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,920
in evil and i i think there's a lot of

2360
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:21,199
like i

2361
01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:22,719
i think there's true believers out there

2362
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,080
i think they're so if you know the

2363
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:25,440
people who are going to tell me to put

2364
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:27,679
my mask over my nose like they're all

2365
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,719
not just

2366
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,360
a-holes some of them are truly scared

2367
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:34,320
the propaganda worked you scare the sh

2368
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,760
you attempted to scare the out of

2369
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,480
the population for 18 months

2370
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:41,120
it worked on in many cases there's a lot

2371
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:43,600
of people out there who truly truly are

2372
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,440
afraid they're the ones driving in a car

2373
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:47,440
by themselves they're the ones who even

2374
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:49,360
if you tell them that like hey

2375
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:50,480
everything's good you could take off

2376
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:52,719
your mask they would probably still

2377
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:54,639
still wear them because

2378
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:55,440
it

2379
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,360
you've scared the out of them that

2380
01:23:02,310 --> 01:22:59,520
you've traumatized them to some extent

2381
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,320
where now they're so afraid of reality

2382
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,320
or getting a virus

2383
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:06,400
that you know they'll wear one anyways

2384
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,880
just to be on the safe side right so i i

2385
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:10,080
think they're they're pet it's no

2386
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:11,199
different than somebody you know and

2387
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:12,639
fear and danger are two different things

2388
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,000
right it's like

2389
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,840
somebody who's afraid of an insect you

2390
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,120
know it's like well is that an insect

2391
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,800
gonna harm you no

2392
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,719
but it's not a at you know it's not a

2393
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:22,880
danger but it's fear and and for some

2394
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:25,120
reason you've been traumatized and you

2395
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:26,800
have this

2396
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:29,760
this just over the top fear of something

2397
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,120
and and so i think there's true

2398
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:33,440
believers there's some people who truly

2399
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:35,920
are pushing or helping

2400
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,719
the evil people who have a greater

2401
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,920
agenda

2402
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,199
who aren't

2403
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,719
true believers in the nonsense that

2404
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:44,320
they're pushing onto the public but

2405
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,960
using these people as pawns and you see

2406
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:48,800
it with like there's people out there

2407
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:51,120
who truly care about the environment and

2408
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,800
that's like the cause that they're the

2409
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,880
most passionate about and they believe

2410
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,800
that there's um you know we're putting

2411
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,040
chemicals into the water and all and a

2412
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,440
lot of the stuff is true what they what

2413
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:03,120
some of them don't understand is that

2414
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,400
they're going to use

2415
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:06,719
those narratives and those issues to

2416
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,239
push other

2417
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,320
agendas and and

2418
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,880
so when they propose a carbon tax or

2419
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,719
they propose these things it's not

2420
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,800
because they truly care about

2421
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:18,960
you know protecting the world it's

2422
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:22,800
because they have other agendas and

2423
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:24,320
i think

2424
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:26,719
the only explanation is evil right i

2425
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:27,840
mean

2426
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:31,040
before hitler there was evil

2427
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,120
after hitler there was evil you know

2428
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,320
saddam hussein was a real person um

2429
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,480
everybody always refers to to hitler as

2430
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:40,400
like almost like he was the last evil

2431
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:41,760
person who wanted to kill everybody i'm

2432
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,560
like there's those people still exist

2433
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:46,880
the only thing is we've we live in north

2434
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:49,040
korea and what i mean by that is that

2435
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,960
people in the u.s are just as

2436
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,280
brainwashed as many people or as

2437
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,600
everybody in north korea where you mold

2438
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,320
their worldview at a young age and you

2439
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,800
convince them that we are the exception

2440
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:02,080
to the rule

2441
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,520
and i think somebody talked about it

2442
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:05,040
yesterday about the founding fathers and

2443
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,560
all this stuff

2444
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:08,719
i think it's kind of true i think

2445
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,199
i go back and forth because in one way i

2446
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:13,840
feel like we're

2447
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:17,360
we are a example of what could be right

2448
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:20,080
like a country that truly cares about

2449
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:21,600
controlling

2450
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,800
the the hierarchy and the monarchy or

2451
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:27,360
the you know controlling those in power

2452
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,480
and and making things fear and and and

2453
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,960
having checks and balances where we can

2454
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:35,199
constantly make sure that we we filter

2455
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:36,560
out corruption

2456
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,639
but in the other hand i'm like we've

2457
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,560
been convinced of this

2458
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:42,560
and yet like somebody mentioned i think

2459
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,920
yesterday and i've mentioned it on my

2460
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,840
show all the time like look at who who

2461
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:47,760
ends up getting in office who who are

2462
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,440
all these politicians do a little

2463
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,360
background research guess what they're

2464
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,520
all linked to powerful people they're

2465
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,520
all linked to powerful families they're

2466
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,960
all related to each other they're all

2467
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,360
part of these powerful you know uh

2468
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,679
secret societies and groups like it's

2469
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:03,120
not us

2470
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,600
it's it's it's a hierarchy so we have

2471
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:07,360
this illusion that we don't live in a

2472
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,760
monarchy but yet the people running for

2473
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:11,199
presidents are always clintons and

2474
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:12,800
bushes and people who are skull and

2475
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,679
bones and and all this stuff and uh and

2476
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,840
i think that's only that's i i get you

2477
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,600
and that's a good point it's only part

2478
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:21,679
of the story though you know the i've

2479
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,080
been into american history lately partly

2480
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:27,280
as a distraction to get away from

2481
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:29,360
but go look at andrew jackson who

2482
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,120
interestingly is being pulled off of

2483
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:33,520
what the 20 bill and

2484
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,880
being

2485
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,480
replaced by the woman who did the

2486
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,320
underground railroad well hooray for

2487
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,840
that i don't have any problem with that

2488
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,600
i think maybe that's a good

2489
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:43,360
andrew jackson's really interesting

2490
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:44,480
character

2491
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,719
because andrew jackson just briefed

2492
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,639
digression into history

2493
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:50,400
andrew jackson

2494
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:53,600
genocide on the american indians no

2495
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:56,400
question about it didn't have to

2496
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,000
set it up to do it that way because it

2497
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,080
was the most expedient way to get the

2498
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:02,719
expansion that he wanted and repeated it

2499
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:04,639
and the whole trail of tears thing and

2500
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:07,360
all that stuff he's that guy

2501
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,480
he's the guy who uh but he's also the

2502
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:12,080
guy

2503
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:13,360
who wins

2504
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:16,480
the war of 1812 which i didn't know this

2505
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,840
i don't want i don't want to front like

2506
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:19,040
i know history because i know any of

2507
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:21,040
this stuff but you go and learn it again

2508
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:22,880
the war of 1812 is the second american

2509
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,520
revolution and we almost lost it it was

2510
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,600
not a given

2511
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,840
andrew jackson is a super patriot and he

2512
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:31,760
drags the cannon and all the rest this

2513
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:32,639
stuff

2514
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:41,750
the new orleans mouth of the mississippi

2515
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:44,880
there and he blasts the out of the

2516
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,199
brits and keeps him from coming up and

2517
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,280
partly because when he was a little kid

2518
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:51,120
he hate the he hated the brits because

2519
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,639
they arrested him when he was 14 years

2520
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,400
old and they locked him up but the point

2521
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,320
is we lose

2522
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,040
what the america is in america if andrew

2523
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:01,679
jackson doesn't do that and that's part

2524
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,000
of the reason he became president but

2525
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,159
you know what he also did he's the guy

2526
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,400
who really brought about slavery more

2527
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:10,880
than anyone else brought mississippi

2528
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,080
alabama and he enslaved all those people

2529
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,000
and i love how you know i don't want to

2530
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,360
do the whole wokeness thing but there's

2531
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,280
always a truth to the wokeness thing

2532
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:21,920
like if you notice the language now they

2533
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:24,080
say enslaved people they don't say

2534
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,360
slaves

2535
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,280
right on to that that's a good

2536
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:30,000
correction linguistically they weren't

2537
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,120
slaves

2538
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:33,920
they were enslaved people

2539
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:37,840
andrew jackson enslaved him so he could

2540
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:41,120
make more money and the only reason that

2541
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:43,760
the civil war happened was because the

2542
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:47,040
abolitionists the great abolitionists up

2543
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,880
in the great state of massachusetts

2544
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:53,040
they went down there and like john brown

2545
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:55,920
is the guy john brown went down and he

2546
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:59,120
broke into the you know the where they

2547
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:01,040
have all the munitions and the guns and

2548
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:02,400
he said i'm gonna start a slave

2549
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,159
revolution we're gonna we're gonna go do

2550
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,480
this and john brown gets thrown down but

2551
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:08,239
then the south goes it man we've

2552
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:09,920
done everything we can to placate

2553
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,920
because they were just playing the game

2554
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,600
play in the game the middle game that

2555
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,760
you like to play conversations everyone

2556
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:17,840
has a voice everyone they're playing

2557
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:19,120
that game

2558
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,719
to the max and john brown says that

2559
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:25,760
the middle doesn't hold take a

2560
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,080
stand are you for enslaving people from

2561
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:32,239
the time that they're born until the

2562
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:35,520
time that they die are you for enslaving

2563
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,719
all their offspring forever is that what

2564
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,440
you're for or are you against that and

2565
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,120
if you're against it

2566
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,040
it's only going to come down one way and

2567
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:47,760
it came down the way that it is so

2568
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:49,280
our history

2569
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:52,000
as you know this great experiment like

2570
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,280
you're you're the one who brought up the

2571
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:55,360
american history is extremely

2572
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:58,639
complicated it is irreconcilable

2573
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:01,199
that that we carried on that stain

2574
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,800
longer than anyone else in the world i

2575
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:04,639
mean britain had given up on slavery

2576
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:05,760
every other

2577
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:07,520
democracy in the world had kind of given

2578
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,560
up on slavery we held on to it because

2579
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:12,960
it had an economic interest for a

2580
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,800
certain group of people i don't want to

2581
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:16,480
get off too far on that but i want to

2582
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:18,719
get off on it a little bit because

2583
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:20,239
here's the point here's the last point

2584
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:21,520
i'll make on that

2585
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:24,400
andrew jackson wasn't part of the

2586
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:27,920
meritocracy you know what he was the

2587
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,960
first

2588
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:30,639
uh commoner

2589
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:32,719
to be made president

2590
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:35,360
the evil that we're talking about isn't

2591
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:36,480
about

2592
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:39,920
uh occulted secret societies it isn't

2593
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:42,560
about bloodlines it isn't about any of

2594
01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:45,120
that it's about

2595
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:47,920
something that we need to understand and

2596
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:50,320
explore and have a better handle on it

2597
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,880
certainly isn't about christianity it

2598
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:55,360
certainly isn't in the bible it can

2599
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:57,360
manifest itself through what we can

2600
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,639
learn maybe in in all in so many great

2601
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:02,400
wisdom books but it

2602
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,239
christianity isn't

2603
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:06,719
an embodiment of that any more than any

2604
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:08,880
other religion is it's just another

2605
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,360
vehicle so i've got i've gone off on a

2606
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,280
long rant but maybe you can bring it

2607
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:15,840
back home to the history thing and how

2608
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:18,800
we deal with our complicated complicated

2609
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,080
history and and how we own it and at the

2610
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:24,960
same time deal with it as what we are

2611
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:27,920
going to be going forward

2612
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,800
well

2613
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:30,159
i have a question for you because i'm

2614
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:33,280
kind of curious on your thoughts on

2615
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:35,120
there's some people who believe they

2616
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:37,760
subscribe to the idea that the u.s the

2617
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:39,679
way that they created

2618
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,920
um the us experiment the way they were

2619
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:44,080
molding this experiment was for the

2620
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,880
purpose of having a fear system

2621
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:48,639
that you know had checks and balances

2622
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:50,480
and some people believe like that was a

2623
01:31:54,070 --> 01:31:51,600
facade

2624
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:54,080
and and really you know it was like this

2625
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:56,560
illusion that you had a uh

2626
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:58,239
checks and balances and and the system

2627
01:32:02,470 --> 01:31:59,840
was fair but it was there's always going

2628
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:02,480
to be some hierarchy for a lack of

2629
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,760
better term what do you think do you

2630
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,280
think that like if the experiment was

2631
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:07,199
done correctly like because you i hear

2632
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:09,040
that argument from time to time where

2633
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:10,639
people will say

2634
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:12,159
they the founding fathers had the right

2635
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:14,560
idea we just messed up their ideas we're

2636
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:16,480
not we're not putting into practice

2637
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:19,760
exactly the the way they envisioned

2638
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,679
the system working

2639
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:23,280
do you agree with that or what's your

2640
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:25,199
thoughts i'm kind of curious it's

2641
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:27,280
complicated right i mean we all know

2642
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:29,199
this part too right like thomas

2643
01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:31,679
jefferson is a slave owner and he's not

2644
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:34,800
only a slave owner but he's

2645
01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:37,280
you know the fact that you were having

2646
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,080
sexual relations with one of your slaves

2647
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:43,199
which is like so common so so common you

2648
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:44,880
know there was just this

2649
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:46,400
history

2650
01:32:50,709 --> 01:32:48,080
little factoid that came out there was

2651
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,719
this woman who wrote kind of like

2652
01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:52,400
frederick douglass frederick douglass

2653
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:53,600
the famous

2654
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,800
guy who is born a slave and comes to be

2655
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:58,960
one of the leading voices of abolition

2656
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:01,199
and is meeting with abraham lincoln it

2657
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:03,679
is probably singular singularly most

2658
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:06,239
responsible for changing abraham

2659
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,360
lincoln's views on slavery because

2660
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:11,280
abraham lincoln starts out as we have to

2661
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:12,880
preserve the union

2662
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:15,920
first and foremost and slavery he was

2663
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:19,280
kind of this evil middle ground again

2664
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:20,639
and frederick douglass and his

2665
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,639
relationship really changed him there

2666
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:23,920
was a woman who also wrote an

2667
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:26,239
autobiography and for a long time

2668
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,719
historians were like that's too crude it

2669
01:33:33,669 --> 01:33:31,280
can't possibly be true because what she

2670
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:33,679
said if you're a woman almost from the

2671
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:37,360
time you could you know be a little kid

2672
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,199
you were subjected to being raped by

2673
01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:44,000
you know either your master or the

2674
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:47,120
all the chain that would go out there or

2675
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:49,360
leased out to someone else which is what

2676
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:50,719
they did you know because you'll also

2677
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:52,320
hear this stat people who want to

2678
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:54,400
whitewash that history and say you know

2679
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:56,800
and i have relatives who are southerners

2680
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:57,760
and

2681
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:59,280
a lot of great southerners but they

2682
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:00,800
don't want to own their a lot of

2683
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:03,440
times it's like you know only 25 of

2684
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:05,600
people in the south even own slaves

2685
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,360
stuff like that yeah but they rented

2686
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:09,199
them out at a pretty high rate so it

2687
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:11,199
wound up like just about everybody

2688
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,960
whether it's you know the bring in the

2689
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:14,639
crops or whatever

2690
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:16,080
the point being

2691
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:18,480
that's what it was like to be a enslaved

2692
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:22,719
woman in america is constant constant

2693
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:26,320
rape or threat of rape was always

2694
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:29,920
at hand so it's thomas jefferson

2695
01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:31,920
thomas jefferson are we gonna take him

2696
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:34,159
off all the coins uh you know a lot of

2697
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:35,679
people have pointed this out obviously

2698
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:38,560
but george washington had slaves these

2699
01:34:44,229 --> 01:34:41,600
people knew better everybody

2700
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:44,239
knew better you know you can't enslave

2701
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:47,440
people you can't do that they knew that

2702
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:48,880
they were religious people but they

2703
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:51,119
weren't real religious people they just

2704
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,040
fixed it to what they wanted but you

2705
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:55,440
know what we all do bad and horrible

2706
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,280
things and there's redemption for

2707
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:59,360
everybody and i'm not saying that you

2708
01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:01,360
know they have to live with that burden

2709
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:02,320
or that

2710
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:04,159
you know i have to live with that burden

2711
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,520
you have to live with that burden

2712
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:07,679
certainly not you know it because it's

2713
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:10,639
irrelevant take a look at it from a

2714
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,880
reincarnation standpoint like i always

2715
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:14,239
point out obviously you're being

2716
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:16,480
reincarnated obviously at some point you

2717
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:19,600
had black skin brown skin yellow skin

2718
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:22,239
all that stuff is true so don't get too

2719
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,000
my thought is don't get too tied to that

2720
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,040
but back to the question at hand is

2721
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:31,440
nothing's perfect but

2722
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:33,679
it it did seem like

2723
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:36,239
they had learned it what it seems to me

2724
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:37,520
and then i want you to answer that

2725
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,320
question as we kind of wrap up and talk

2726
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:42,480
about what's coming up on union of the

2727
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:45,760
unwanted and the ripple effect but

2728
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:47,199
you know

2729
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,679
i think we have to respect the fact that

2730
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:51,760
the quote-unquote founding founding

2731
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:54,800
fathers which is even a charged

2732
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,159
phrase they had learned some

2733
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:00,560
and they knew some and they tried

2734
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,199
to pass it on to us and a lot of the

2735
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:05,760
lessons that they were trying to pass on

2736
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:07,280
even like i don't know about your dad

2737
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,030
do as i say not as i do you know what i

2738
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:17,760
mean because it's hard to always do the

2739
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:18,960
right thing

2740
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,400
to do and i think the founding fathers

2741
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:26,080
there's a little bit of wisdom in that

2742
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,600
they knew what the right thing was and

2743
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:30,080
they tried to pass it along and i i i

2744
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,239
think it it's got a service now it's our

2745
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,239
best chance it's our i don't know if

2746
01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:36,000
it's our only chance but it's our best

2747
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:36,840
chance

2748
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,520
against again people back to the thing

2749
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:41,199
like you don't

2750
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:42,960
you just need to reflect back what we

2751
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,760
started with is that you can't start

2752
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:47,360
banning people

2753
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,280
you know you can't you can't be in the

2754
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:52,320
state we're at banning people mandating

2755
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:53,520
stuff

2756
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:58,400
that we're in the middle of that all us

2757
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:00,800
normies want to bury our head in

2758
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,760
you can't comply to that and think this

2759
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:05,520
is gonna turn out

2760
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:07,199
that's where we need to return to that

2761
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:08,960
energy of the founding fathers and they

2762
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,159
said no it ain't if we don't do

2763
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:14,480
something

2764
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:17,600
we will all either hang together or hang

2765
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,080
separately as

2766
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:22,480
the perv our famous perv benjamin

2767
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:25,440
franklin said

2768
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:26,800
what do you think

2769
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,320
another great example of what you're

2770
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:30,880
saying is mlk for example i mean he was

2771
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:35,760
a womanizer he slept around he but he

2772
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:37,040
seemed to know

2773
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,520
what good was right and and what

2774
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,520
being a good person was and loved one

2775
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:43,920
another and obviously his you know i had

2776
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,560
a dream speech and all these things

2777
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:48,480
you know he it seemed like his heart was

2778
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,000
filled with with love and and acceptance

2779
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,320
and forgiveness and and yet he wasn't

2780
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:56,400
the perfect person i think that's

2781
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,520
the story of humans right like we all

2782
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,400
have flaws and we all you know and i

2783
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:04,560
think that's what what's that quote like

2784
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:07,520
uh the biggest trick the devil played

2785
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:09,040
was or

2786
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,880
that he he made people think he didn't

2787
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:12,800
exist right wasn't wasn't that yeah

2788
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,920
something along those lines i probably

2789
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:15,600
messed up i messed up every quote so i'm

2790
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,400
sure i messed that one up but it's uh

2791
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:20,080
without a doubt like that i think that's

2792
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:23,600
a big part of it is that if you don't

2793
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:24,960
there's a lot of people out there and i

2794
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,239
don't know if it's a lack of

2795
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:28,480
spirituality or a lack of asking these

2796
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,159
bigger questions or searching for these

2797
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:32,320
bigger answers

2798
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:35,920
they truly don't believe evil exists and

2799
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,719
and it does seem like that quote as you

2800
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,800
know is true like it's like you've been

2801
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:42,560
tricked into believing that it doesn't

2802
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:47,040
exist and um that people who could

2803
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:50,480
knowingly do harm to others don't exist

2804
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:51,360
and

2805
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:54,320
i think war is is always the example i

2806
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:55,840
use because it's like okay you do know

2807
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,000
like we look back at vietnam we look

2808
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:59,920
back at um

2809
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,360
you know iraq

2810
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:03,360
afghanistan and

2811
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,400
everybody

2812
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:06,560
considers it a giant mess up

2813
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:08,880
and even and if you take it even further

2814
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:11,920
and you do some serious research into it

2815
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:15,840
it wasn't a accidental mess up it was a

2816
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,400
mess up on purpose and that means that

2817
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:20,239
there's people today who are dealing

2818
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,800
with ptsd there's people today who has

2819
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:25,199
law who have lost loved ones there's

2820
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:28,639
people today who have died

2821
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:31,760
in and all this tragedy and horror and

2822
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,639
blood spill was all for nothing and

2823
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:36,239
based on lies

2824
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:38,320
how is that not an example of evil how

2825
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:45,270
giving people a vaccine that you know

2826
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:47,600
could do harm to many like

2827
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,639
the idea that we accept this thing like

2828
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:52,320
we we know this happened it's

2829
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,679
historically

2830
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:55,440
accepted that

2831
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:57,199
you know you look at the

2832
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,520
the weapons of mass destruction all the

2833
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:01,679
deception that went into that you look

2834
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:02,639
at

2835
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:05,679
the anthrax scare and and you know where

2836
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,199
they anthrax came from and all that

2837
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:09,040
stuff and just kept people paranoid

2838
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:10,159
because everybody was freaking out it's

2839
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:11,280
like yeah we gotta fight terry i don't

2840
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,880
know what that means but yeah we gotta

2841
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:15,520
do something and keeping everybody so

2842
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:18,000
anxious and scared that they make

2843
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:20,000
irrational decisions and they

2844
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:21,280
emotionally

2845
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,760
react right so it's like super easy to

2846
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,920
be like yeah let's go into iraq yeah

2847
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,520
yeah i'm for iraq because i'm freaking

2848
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,679
out man i'm afraid because we're at code

2849
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,600
red and there's anthrax in the mail and

2850
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:33,280
the towers came down we need to do

2851
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,840
something and you get people emotionally

2852
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,440
react and

2853
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:39,040
that's what's going on now i mean it's

2854
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,040
the same thing only instead of war

2855
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:43,760
propaganda it's big pharma propaganda

2856
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:44,560
and

2857
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:46,480
it's just but it's the same idea you're

2858
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:49,360
you're capitalizing on people's emotions

2859
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,119
and you're scaring them and i mean

2860
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:53,840
there's been plenty of studies about how

2861
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,840
how hard it is for for us to think

2862
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:57,840
logically and make logical decisions

2863
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,520
when we're in motion or when we're

2864
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,360
afraid and and your emotions are

2865
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:03,600
influencing and i also think that

2866
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:06,000
it's we all emotions are constantly

2867
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,760
playing a factor into

2868
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:10,080
uh our our thinking you know we lo

2869
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:11,679
there's no such thing as a completely

2870
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,400
logical being that uh doesn't have any

2871
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,560
other outside influences you know

2872
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:19,040
child the hood stuff and and other

2873
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:20,239
influences

2874
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,119
will

2875
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:23,119
have some type of effect on on the way

2876
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:24,639
you look at information and the way you

2877
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:27,119
analyze information dissect information

2878
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:28,400
but

2879
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,159
without a doubt i mean i agree with you

2880
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,040
like we the evil exists

2881
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,119
and once you accept that

2882
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:37,199
i think it's much easier to accept

2883
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:39,920
what's going on and and i think you know

2884
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:43,760
that's a huge issue is that

2885
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:45,760
people just don't you know people just i

2886
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,679
don't know what it is and i and i don't

2887
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:49,920
know if that's also a part of the the

2888
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:51,760
agenda right because that's something

2889
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:54,159
we've also been talking a lot about in

2890
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:56,239
the uh

2891
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,920
alternate media community

2892
01:42:02,550 --> 01:42:00,159
and i've heard you say it too on shows

2893
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:02,560
on your show about uh atheism and and

2894
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,520
how you know this this pro science like

2895
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:07,520
everything's surface level

2896
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,000
explainable and and super any

2897
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:13,119
supernatural conversation is is is uh

2898
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:16,800
childish or not worth entertaining uh

2899
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:17,920
if that

2900
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:20,560
is either a part of the plan to to get

2901
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,119
people to just not believe in evil and

2902
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:25,760
not ask these bigger questions or if

2903
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,960
it's just something they're taking

2904
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:29,280
advantage of i don't know but either way

2905
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:30,800
it's uh did you have some comments on

2906
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:32,239
that

2907
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:33,840
don't know go ahead

2908
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:36,320
no i was i was yeah i mean i i just i

2909
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,400
think it seems to work in their

2910
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,239
advantage in regards to pushing us in a

2911
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,080
direction that seemed like that seems

2912
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:43,840
like we're being pushed into and that's

2913
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:47,040
this idea of um losing

2914
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:48,400
uh

2915
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:49,600
just

2916
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:51,520
losing some of the things that make us

2917
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:53,360
human and that's asking those bigger

2918
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,719
questions i don't know if you ever if

2919
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,880
you ever saw the i remember those videos

2920
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:58,320
uh years ago when i saw when they had

2921
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,679
two aai robots talking to one another

2922
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,119
and it didn't take long before they

2923
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:05,360
started asking where they came from and

2924
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,040
like you know asking those bigger

2925
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,760
questions and i think that's inherent in

2926
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:11,119
us i mean asking those bigger questions

2927
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:12,800
i mean to me i almost don't understand

2928
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:14,080
people who don't ask those bigger

2929
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:15,199
questions i'm like what do you mean you

2930
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:16,880
don't care or you don't or you've never

2931
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:18,400
pondered on this i'm like to me that's

2932
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,080
like that's so

2933
01:43:24,709 --> 01:43:23,199
surreal like you're not cure and

2934
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:24,719
again i think when you look at the

2935
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,080
school system

2936
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:28,480
making us people who regurgitate

2937
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,600
information uh you you remove things

2938
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,760
from our lives that that provoke

2939
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,760
imagination and critical thinking and

2940
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,280
just make us

2941
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,360
just help mold little robots that just

2942
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:41,840
regurgitate information and

2943
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,920
this go bad i know the rockefellers like

2944
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,360
they seem like they they get to blame

2945
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:47,520
for everything but in most cases it's

2946
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,159
true uh when you look at like uh

2947
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,639
schools and and you know teaching people

2948
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,639
how to sit down at a desk

2949
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:56,880
and and even the bell idea of having a

2950
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:58,639
bell when your shift is over

2951
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:00,320
it it all comes from creating better

2952
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:02,000
factory workers they want i think

2953
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:03,119
naturally

2954
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:04,000
we're

2955
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:06,000
it's humans are not designed to be

2956
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:07,199
factory workers we're not designed to be

2957
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:08,880
a front of a machine doing a repetitive

2958
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,760
thing for eight nine 10 hours a day and

2959
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,119
they were trying to create better

2960
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:15,840
factory workers and um

2961
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,080
did you want to add to that out well

2962
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,480
that one always gets me

2963
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:22,719
that that just gets a little bit tricky

2964
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:24,560
i mean i get what you're saying but like

2965
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,679
you know what

2966
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:27,199
i have kids we look for a lot of

2967
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,880
different ways how to do it you know and

2968
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:32,880
not nothing is perfect i'll tell you

2969
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:35,600
what as we wrap this thing up

2970
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:38,480
do tell people uh just really quickly

2971
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,400
what's coming up on

2972
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:43,280
the ripple effect and on the union of

2973
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:45,600
the unwanted shoe shows that i really

2974
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:47,920
hope will have links up obviously but

2975
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:51,920
two shows i really hope people check out

2976
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:54,719
well i i i actually have a show with dr

2977
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:56,800
jessica rose i just did that hopefully

2978
01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:59,920
will be up sometime this week and also a

2979
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:01,600
show i do every once a month i do a show

2980
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:03,920
with my patreon supporters i uh

2981
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:06,400
basically just you know share the zoom

2982
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:07,760
link with them and and i never know

2983
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,880
who's going to show up or how many

2984
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:10,400
people are going to show up i just

2985
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:11,679
always cross my fingers i don't know i'm

2986
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:14,080
talking to myself and luckily i don't

2987
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:15,040
and

2988
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:18,320
bunch i would have to look at my

2989
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:19,920
schedule and see who's coming up but i i

2990
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,119
always look for it's almost

2991
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,600
it's good and it's bad it's it i'm like

2992
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,440
sometimes i'm like i've been focused on

2993
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,639
like

2994
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:30,560
you know medical freedom and medical you

2995
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:33,280
know in this whole world uh for for so

2996
01:45:37,990 --> 01:45:35,760
much like so much of it's been uh my

2997
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:38,000
focus i mean it's always been a focus of

2998
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,760
mine but it's taken up so much of the

2999
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:41,280
show that

3000
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:43,280
i'm i'm now from time to time like

3001
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:45,520
looking for like the guests like i used

3002
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:47,840
to wear like a historian or somebody

3003
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,639
else who who uh i can kind of like

3004
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:52,239
looking forward to who do you have book

3005
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:53,360
that you're looking forward to talking

3006
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:54,239
to

3007
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:57,920
the reason why i'm not aware of who

3008
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,400
immediately is booked just because it's

3009
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,400
i have a little break in my schedule i

3010
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,320
know aaron franz is coming back on he's

3011
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:06,560
uh he wrote he wrote the book uh the age

3012
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,920
of tr transition and he also did a great

3013
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:11,440
documentary back in the day and i

3014
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:14,080
haven't i had him on like years ago and

3015
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:16,560
he was talking about transhumanism and

3016
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:19,040
at the time it's like wow like i can see

3017
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:21,199
this agenda being played but i'm not

3018
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,719
going to see the outcome of this you

3019
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:23,840
know i'm not going to see the finish

3020
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:25,679
line and now i'm like i gotta get him

3021
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,560
back on because he was so right and uh

3022
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,719
in regards to a lot of this but so i i

3023
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:32,880
know he's an interesting um interview

3024
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:35,760
i'm sure i have uh some probably some

3025
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,280
more doctors coming on because it's it's

3026
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:38,960
something that i always love talking

3027
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:41,280
about um and then you've been wanted i

3028
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:43,840
know uh we've we've kind of brainstormed

3029
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,880
um

3030
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:46,800
from time to time we brainstormed some

3031
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:49,199
possible ideas for future shows i know

3032
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:52,480
uh sam has suggested uh

3033
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:53,520
a show on

3034
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:55,920
the december 6 event because there's so

3035
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,239
many conflicting opinions and stuff like

3036
01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:00,159
that and doing a whole show on on what

3037
01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:02,000
we think happened there and

3038
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,080
was there psy up inside the psyop was it

3039
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,159
a psy up what you know what happened

3040
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:08,400
um and then also i know charlie's been

3041
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:10,159
uh suggesting you know and i think it's

3042
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,199
a you know they're both great

3043
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:13,920
suggestions about doing a show on uh on

3044
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:16,239
food and and being the you know

3045
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:18,719
independent on in in regards to your

3046
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:20,480
your necessities and and how to take

3047
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:22,639
care of yourself and your family and

3048
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:24,320
i mean when you're growing food you're

3049
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:25,600
growing you're basically growing money

3050
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:27,040
because it's it's stuff that you don't

3051
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,800
end up having to buy and you know what's

3052
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:30,880
in it you know it's not some um

3053
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:34,000
you know some really clever marketing uh

3054
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:37,040
label that says natural you know and and

3055
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:38,239
was like what the does that mean

3056
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:39,520
natural you know and there's nothing

3057
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:42,400
natural in it and so

3058
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:44,239
i think we're gonna maybe one of those

3059
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:46,719
topics might be next i also like the

3060
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:49,119
general um conversations like we had

3061
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:50,719
last night so

3062
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:52,239
who knows i mean honestly a lot of this

3063
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:53,760
stuff gets uh

3064
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:56,320
decided last second it's it's uh

3065
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:57,760
i know you've been on

3066
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:59,440
i mean for people who are listening who

3067
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:01,280
might have not listened to a union done

3068
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:02,880
wanted you're on the most recent one

3069
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:04,639
you're you've also been a couple other

3070
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:07,040
ones one that really sticks out is the

3071
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,159
um

3072
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:09,920
near-death experiences because that was

3073
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:12,960
a really unique and powerful show and uh

3074
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:14,480
i i think that was you know that's kind

3075
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:16,000
of the beautiful thing of the union than

3076
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:17,520
wanna you get those

3077
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,199
gem of episodes and uh it's just

3078
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:23,040
you know i i don't know any other show

3079
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,800
that's doing stuff like that but the the

3080
01:48:28,629 --> 01:48:26,880
show wouldn't be what it is if we didn't

3081
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:28,639
have people like yourself and the other

3082
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:31,520
participants to come in who bring these

3083
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:33,600
really interesting perspectives because

3084
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:34,400
uh

3085
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:36,880
that's what makes it fun is that all

3086
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,119
these very unique researchers and

3087
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:41,280
thinkers and bringing them together and

3088
01:48:46,030 --> 01:48:43,040
and just seeing what happens right and

3089
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:46,040
and is always fascinating so the

3090
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:48,560
um.wanted.com you can get all the the

3091
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:50,960
links to our channels and audio and

3092
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:52,960
merch and all the places you can find

3093
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:55,199
our shows and and then the ripple effect

3094
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,239
podcast uh which you know alex you did a

3095
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,800
screen share of and you can find all my

3096
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:03,119
episodes of everything i do uh ricky

3097
01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:05,199
rants and rockfin which i struggle to do

3098
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,159
because i don't know if you've ever done

3099
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:08,960
a solo show um i i go through imposter

3100
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:10,880
syndrome right before i i think about

3101
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,400
doing a solo show and i'm like what the

3102
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,719
do i have to say or offer talking

3103
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,960
to myself uh but i from time to time i

3104
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:18,560
do a show called ricky rants moroccan

3105
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:21,119
which is a solo show and then um of

3106
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:22,560
course the ripple effect podcast which

3107
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:24,080
is more of a personal one-on-one show

3108
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:26,159
like this and then the um unwanted and

3109
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:27,920
you can find them anywhere you can get

3110
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:30,800
audio uh downloads and

3111
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,080
uh the videos uh shows are

3112
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:36,480
most of them are on odyssey rumble bit

3113
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:37,360
shoot

3114
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,880
rockfin and all the alternative

3115
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,400
platforms because many of us have been

3116
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,560
censored on on youtube because

3117
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:44,480
now in 2020 getting a second opinion

3118
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:46,719
from a doctor doesn't exist you know you

3119
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:50,239
have uh one opinion that is uh

3120
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:53,360
trumps all the other ones so it's

3121
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:55,760
definitely ricky

3122
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:58,080
rickyvrans.com or rip effectpodcast.com

3123
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,520
will bring you to the same website where

3124
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:01,520
you can find all my shows so it's a easy

3125
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:03,760
place to find all the links and episodes

3126
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:06,320
and uncensored thanks to to matt from

3127
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:07,920
content save i gotta give him a shout

3128
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:09,280
out because uh

3129
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:10,560
he's the one who helped me build the

3130
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:13,280
website and uh protected me from from

3131
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:14,880
being censored because i really wanted a

3132
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:17,520
place where i could put all my work

3133
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:20,080
that bypassed any other platform because

3134
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,000
even though i love rockfin i love

3135
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:24,480
odyssey i love all these other platforms

3136
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:25,840
um they are

3137
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,800
businesses private businesses and um you

3138
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:31,360
know so far so good no censorship no no

3139
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:34,480
issues but you you never know and and so

3140
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,360
you know um i want to believe that uh

3141
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,239
that will stay the the the case for

3142
01:50:45,669 --> 01:50:42,719
um forever but like i said you never

3143
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,679
know so it's nice to also

3144
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:47,840
be in control your own destiny and give

3145
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:49,679
people a place where

3146
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:52,560
they can go find every show for free

3147
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:55,679
uncensored forever so um thanks to matt

3148
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,760
for that so and then maybe eventually

3149
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:00,000
we'll see you on on another union

3150
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,880
unwanted or another ripple podcast or a

3151
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,520
uh or on rockfin or are you on any of

3152
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:07,280
the other ones like a bit shooter i know

3153
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,560
you're you're still on youtube but are

3154
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,719
you on shoot odyssey rumble float

3155
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:12,239
any of the others yeah i guess i mean

3156
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,400
i'll i'll i'll try i'll try anything

3157
01:51:20,750 --> 01:51:18,719
hey our guest again has been ricky

3158
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,760
verandas do check him out

3159
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,320
rickyverandas.com

3160
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:24,560
ricky thanks so much

3161
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:25,440
i think

3162
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:29,840
turn people on you have such a great

3163
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:32,080
style and i think people really

3164
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:34,080
appreciate what you're doing and i know

3165
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:35,679
that's why you're so successful and

3166
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:36,719
that's why

3167
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:38,800
the union of the unwanted is so unique

3168
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:41,199
and so powerful so i really hope people

3169
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:43,760
check it out thanks again buddy hey

3170
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:45,119
thanks alex thanks for the time thanks

3171
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,639
for the great conversation always stop

3172
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:48,960
provoking which is always what i'm

3173
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,960
attempting to uh get involved in stop

3174
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:52,560
provoking conversations so thanks alex

3175
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,080
and keep up what you're doing i'm a big

3176
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:57,199
fan and uh i think anybody who's as

3177
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,440
honest and outspoken as you

3178
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:01,280
um

3179
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:04,159
it it's it's a good thing that it you

3180
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,480
don't self-censor or you know because to

3181
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:08,000
me it's a sign in that you're not so

3182
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,920
self-censoring right you're i it's

3183
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:11,360
almost the same appeal of trump right

3184
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,800
it's like you might say some stupid

3185
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:14,400
sometimes but i think what people really

3186
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:15,440
like about him is like well at least i

3187
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:17,119
know he's he's saying what's on his mind

3188
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,400
because he can't help but say what's on

3189
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:20,400
his mind sometimes even if it hurt him

3190
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,360
you know so i think it it uh people like

3191
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:25,679
that organic you know conversation and

3192
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,000
that it's a real person it's not a you

3193
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:30,000
know i'm not trying to paint a picture

3194
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,280
of something i'm really not and um

3195
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:35,040
i always say love me or hate me at least

3196
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:36,320
you you know what you see is what you

3197
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:38,480
get you know if we met somewhere this is

3198
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:40,000
what you would get so i think people

3199
01:52:43,830 --> 01:52:41,440
appreciate that

3200
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:43,840
awesome buddy i'm not so sure i can't

3201
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:46,000
leave without saying i'm not so sure

3202
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,960
about trump i think it's more of a brand

3203
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:50,480
than a person

3204
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:53,199
but i certainly appreciate that not

3205
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:54,800
self-censoring

3206
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,000
thing

3207
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,480
however that turns out okay

3208
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,800
have an awesome day we'll talk soon

3209
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:02,560
we'll just stand in touch

3210
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,360
hey take care alex

3211
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:07,199
thanks again to ricky verandas for

3212
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:09,599
joining me today on skeptico the one

3213
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,599
question i'd have to tee up from this

3214
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:13,520
interview and you could probably

3215
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:16,480
anticipate it what is the nature of this

3216
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:18,320
pandemic evil

3217
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,159
this is really kind of what i've been

3218
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:22,239
driving at ever since i wrote that book

3219
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:23,840
why evil matters

3220
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:26,000
i mean i think there's this next level

3221
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:29,679
stuff around evil that we never seem to

3222
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,159
really tackle i mean what is the nature

3223
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:34,800
of this evil that wants to put so much

3224
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:37,280
fear into the system that wants everyone

3225
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,639
to be so afraid and so medically fragile

3226
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:43,199
what's the evil behind wanting pregnant

3227
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:45,920
women to get vaccinated even though it

3228
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:48,159
dramatically increases the risk of

3229
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:51,119
miscarriage what is the nature of that

3230
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:52,320
evil and

3231
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,040
how is it different than the pizzagate

3232
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:57,520
evil that we talked about

3233
01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:59,760
that's next level that's why evil

3234
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:01,040
matters so

3235
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:02,639
let me know

3236
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,239
your thoughts on that let's start that

3237
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:06,320
dollar because i'm not sure that we've

3238
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:07,520
really

3239
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,639
nailed that dialogue down so that means

3240
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:12,560
i'm going to continue to push on it love

3241
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,000
to hear from you join me on the

3242
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:16,320
skeptical forum join me over on telegram

3243
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,599
although i set it up and i haven't been

3244
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:19,440
over there hardly at all but you get the

3245
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:22,080
point track me down i want to connect

3246
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:24,480
with you i want to talk about this stuff

3247
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:29,010
until next time take care bye for now